Top 10 NFL secondaries this season

Brent Rollins breaks down the list of the best NFL secondaries this season—eight of which have punched tickets to the playoffs.

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Top 10 NFL secondaries this season

Earlier this season, we looked at the top 10 secondary groups at the time, and recently, Cris Collinsworth, Neil Hornsby and Steve Palazzolo ranked the top five secondaries in coverage. Now that the final week of the NFL’s regular season is here, let’s run through our player grades see which secondary unit is at the top with one game remaining.

While being at the top of any positively-focused list is a good thing, probably the most interesting stat is the collective W-L of the 10 teams listed below—102-48—with only two having a losing record and eight soon to be postseason participants.

Editor’s note: For this ranking, the top five DBs (two CBs, two safeties, and a fifth DB) from each team were considered, given the primary formation used by NFL teams is a three-WR set, and the fifth DB is essentially a starter. In the case of a true rotation or variability, snap count numbers and/or more recent playing time were used to determine the five players. Remember, the ranking is reflective of the entire group’s season (including currently-injured players, in some cases). Thus, a group that has two elite players might be brought down by three players with much lower grades.

1. New England Patriots

Average PFF grade: 82.7

Cornerbacks: Logan Ryan (85.3); Malcolm Butler (81.2)

Safeties: Devin McCourty (84.9); Patrick Chung (84.4); Duron Harmon (77.7)

New England is only one of two teams in the league who has four defensive backs with a rating above 80. This group has been very consistent and continues to get better. Ryan is PFF’s 11th-ranked cornerback, and is first in combined tackling efficiency (includes both run and pass game). Butler’s growth from unsung Super Bowl hero to current 24th-ranked cornerback has offset the loss of Darrelle Revis to the rival Jets. Ryan and Butler have even combined to log over 1,900 snaps this season. If this unit can reach full health by the postseason, it will play a major factor in New England’s playoff success.

Standout stat: Fifth defensive back Duron Harmon has only been targeted seven times in 417 coverage snaps.

2. Denver Broncos

Average grade: 81.1

Cornerbacks: Chris Harris, Jr. (86.2); Aqib Talib (78.2); Bradley Roby (76.3)

Safeties: Darian Stewart (85.1); T.J. Ward (79.8)

While much of the discussion of Denver’s No.1 rated PFF defense has focused on the pressure they generate up front, the secondary has continually shown itself to be elite and keeps its the second spot on this list. Stewart, our eighth-ranked safety, has been a fantastic free agent signing, while Harris Jr. is allowing an NFL-low 44.6 QB rating in slot coverage.

Standout stat: T.J. Ward gets after the QB, as well, with two sacks and eight total QB pressures, fifth-best among safeties.

3. Green Bay Packers

Average PFF grade: 80.9

Cornerbacks: Casey Hayward (80.5); Sam Shields (78.5); Damarious Randall (75.5)

Safeties: Morgan Burnett (88.8); Ha Ha Clinton-Dix (81.1)

Since returning for good in Week 8, Burnett has played all but eight snaps for the Packers, and now grades as our fourth overall safety. The youth of this unit has also improved throughout the season. A first-round pick, Randall has played competently, with an 11th-best 10 pass deflections this year. Rollins, a second-round pick, (80.0), who has surged late in the season and isn’t even listed above, has only allowed an NFL QB rating of 59.9 in his coverage. Clinton-Dix is still the roaming constant for Green Bay, coming off the field for only three snaps all season.

Standout stat: Rollins’ 59.9 QB rating allowed is good for sixth in the league.

4. Kansas City Chiefs

Average PFF grade: 80.8

Cornerbacks: Sean Smith (84.8); Marcus Peters (74.4)

Safeties: Eric Berry (89.0); Husain Abdullah (83.3); Ron Parker (72.5)

Berry has beaten both Hodgkin’s Lymphoma and opponents to a pulp in 2015, grading out as our third-best safety overall. A first-round pick, Peters has been up and down in his rookie campaign, but has spurred enough ups to lead all cornerbacks with 17 passes defensed, and is tied for the NFL lead in interceptions, with eight. It took awhile, but Smith has finally returned to his 2014 form, as is now our 13th-rated CB.

Standout stat: Marcus Peters is still by far the most-targeted cornerback in the NFL, with 131 targets—26 more than the next CB.


5. St. Louis Rams

Average PFF grade: 76.8

Cornerbacks: Trumaine Johnson (87.0); Janoris Jenkins (81.3); Lamarcus Joyner (66.1)

Safeties: Rodney McLeod (85.0); T.J. McDonald (64.8)

All five Rams’ players listed are fourth-year players or younger, and keep progressively getting better. Johnson is now the fifth-ranked cornerback, ranking No.1 in NFL QB rating allowed in his coverage (47.4) to go along with seven interceptions.  McLeod is currently the ninth-ranked safety, and has played the second-most snaps among all secondary players, with 1,096, behind only Philadelphia’s Malcolm Jenkins. McDonald had also improved prior to his season-ending shoulder injury.

Standout stat: The average age of these five is exactly 25 years old.

6. Cincinnati Bengals

Average PFF grade: 75.1

Cornerbacks: Adam Jones (84.6); Leon Hall (82.9); Dre Kirkpatrick (38.4)

Safeties: Reggie Nelson (85.8); George Iloka (84.0)

Outside of New England, the Bengals are the only other team garnering four defensive backs with a PFF rating above 80. If not for the struggles of Kirkpatrick, who is our 110th-ranked cornerback and the second-most targeted, with 105 passes sent his way, this group would be much higher. Nelson is tied with Kansas City’s Peters for the league-lead in interceptions, and even with Iloka missing time recently with a groin injury, Shawn Williams (73.4) has given the Bengals starter-level play off the bench.

Standout stat: Among cornerbacks with at least 275 snaps, Dre Kirkpatrick is the 116th highest-graded player, only ahead of Antwon Blake (PIT) and Brandon Browner (NO).

7. Arizona Cardinals

Average PFF grade: 74.9

Cornerbacks: Tyrann Mathieu (91.6); Patrick Peterson (86.3); Jerraud Powers (46.4)

Safeties: Tony Jefferson (75.5); Rashad Johnson (74.5)

The impact of Mathieu’s season-ending injury cannot be understated, as he is PFF’s No.1 ranked cornerback.  Arizona’s secondary depth and prowess on the offensive side of the ball will help alleviate Mathieu’s loss. Also, the individual greatness of Peterson (first in coverage snaps per reception allowed, at 20.0, and fourth in NFL QB rating allowed, at 55.5) helps lift the group. If not for Powers’ subpar play this season, this group would have retained the top spot it held earlier.  Stepping in for Mathieu is special teams standout Justin Bethel (70.9), who must play better than he has recently if the Cardinals want to make a deep playoff run.

Standout stat: Mathieu is the No.1 cornerback in run stop percentage, No. 8 in pass rushing productivity (11 total QB pressures), and No.6 in NFL QB rating allowed in slot coverage at 70.3.

8. Houston Texans

Average PFF grade: 74.2

Cornerbacks: Jonathan Joseph (85.9); Kevin Johnson (71.8); Kareem Jackson (70.1)

Safeties: Quintin Demps (72.2); Andre Hal (71.1)

Outside of Joseph, PFF’s 10th-ranked cornerback, the view of the Texans’ secondary is solid across the board. Johnson, a first-round pick, is only behind Joseph in number of snaps, Jackson is sixth in run stop percentage, and 2014 seventh-round pick Andre Hal is 15th in terms of coverage snaps before a reception, at 36.8.

Standout stat(s): Andre Hal has only allowed a catch on 39.3 percent of the targets in his coverage, second-best behind only the Steelers’ Michael Mitchell.

9. Detroit Lions

Average PFF grade: 73.2

Cornerbacks: Darius Slay (87.2); Quandre Diggs (82.7); Nevin Lawson (39.5)

Safeties: Isa Abdul-Quddus (80.9); Glover Quin (75.6)

Very quietly, the Lions secondary has played well in 2015.  Also very quietly, Slay has turned into one of the best cornerbacks in the league, evident by his current third-overall ranking. Additionally, Diggs, a 2015 sixth-round pick, has been a splendid surprise for the Lions.  His playing time has greatly increased during the second half of the season, and his performance has followed. Diggs is now Detroit’s third-highest graded defensive player behind Slay and Ziggy Ansah. If not for the below-average performance from the second-year corner Lawson, who stepped in place of the injured Rashean Mathis, the Lions’ group as a whole would be pushing the top five.

Standout: The rookie Diggs is second only behind Arizona’s Mathieu in run stop percentage, with just two missed tackles.

10. Carolina Panthers

Average PFF grade: 72.1

Cornerbacks: Josh Norman (83.9); Charles Tillman (69.0); Bené Benwikere (52.7)

Safeties: Kurt Coleman (84.4); Roman Harper (70.4)

While Norman found himself in the national spotlight for his matchup against Odell Beckham Jr., it was his actual performance in that game, as well as this past week against Julio Jones and the Falcons, that has cost him in PFF’s cornerback rankings. Even though he is now our 16th-ranked CB, Norman is still third among cornerbacks in NFL QB rating when in coverage (54.7). The emergence of Kurt Coleman has been huge. He’s currently our 11th-ranked safety, and is also tied for second in the NFL with seven interceptions. Carolina has seen starter-caliber play from aging veterans Charles Tillman and Roman Harper, and the secondary is a main reason the Panthers are poised for a deep playoff run. Recently, Cortland Finnegan replaced Benwikere in the lineup, after the latter suffered a broken leg in a 38-0 smashing of Atlanta earlier in December.

Standout stat: Defenses have not totally avoided Josh Norman yet, as he is 13th among cornerbacks in targets (90).


Missed the cut

Minnesota Vikings

Average PFF grade: 71.4

While PFF’s No.1 safety Harrison Smith (94.8) has led this group, fellow safety Andrew Sendejo (50.0) and cornerback Xavier Rhodes (50.6) have struggled in 2015.

Buffalo Bills

Average PFF grade: 71.4

Rex Ryan has one of the best cornerback tandems in rookie Ronald Darby (87.1, fourth overall) and Stephon Gilmore (84.6, 14th overall), but the remaining pieces have not played anywhere near the expectations of a Ryan-led defense, especially nickel corner Nickell Robey (46.1).

Seattle Seahawks

Average PFF grade: 68.9

The Legion of Boom still has its three main pieces in Earl Thomas (86.1, No. 6 safety), Richard Sherman (84.9, No. 12 cornerback), and Kam Chancellor (81.6, No. 17 safety), but DeShawn Shead (43.5), and now Jeremy Lane (48.6), have struggled to complement their more established teammates.

New York Jets

Average PFF grade: 64.8

While Darrelle Revis (79.7) has had a pretty significant drop in play, he is still the No.2 cornerback in NFL QB rating allowed in coverage, at 51.2. Marcus Gilchrist has also played well at safety (81.3, No.18 safety). The remaining pieces have left much to be desired, though, in particularly Antonio Cromartie (45.2) and Buster Skrine (43.5).

  • Thomas Bell

    Dang, give credit to the NE coaching staff. Half the talent and payroll of Denver’s secondary. I remember during the offseason, when they lost Revis, the DBs were supposed to be the weakness of the Patriot team, and what could possibly keep them out of the post season. Guess the experts were wrong.

  • Tim Edell

    The Patriots sure do love the Rutgers connection!

  • Christian K

    PFF really needs to tweak their ratings on CBs. I mean there is literally no one in the league that would say Logan Ryan is New England’s best CB, and is 13 spots better than Malcom Butler. Not the NE coaches, not the opposing players, coaches or GMs around the league who gave Butler a pro bowl nod, not the fans, pretty much anyone who’s watched the Patriots team knows Butler is their best CB.

    Their grades should imo try to reflect that reality. Same with Chris Harris over Talib, same with Sean Smith over Marcus Peters. Their grading system seems to favor #2 CB b/c they’re not taking into account the grades of who their covering. It’s a pretty glaring flaw. They don’t have to fix it of course, it’s up to them, if they truly believe Ryan > Butler than go ahead, but it’s just something to consider.

    • moe

      Logan Ryan is better than butler

      • Christian K

        Why? Because opposing coaches and players have called Ryan one of the league best CBs? Because New England coaching staff who know the coverage assignment every play and know more about their own players than anyone, clearly think more highly of Ryan than they do Butler? Because Ryan is a pro bowl CB? Or because PFF said so and their grades are pretty much gospel.

        • Jordan

          Because while he lacks complete coverage ability, he has the speed and length to make up for it. Don’t forget that time he completely shut down TY Hilton last year. His numbers are buffed, I will admit that, due to the dual coverage that is his assistance from Devin McCourty, however, I suggest you look at the uncoachable things he knows. Is he better then butler? Well, in single coverage, no. However, he did mostly shut down Hopkins at one point this year. The scheme helps all the numbers here quite a bit

    • Rodrigo

      Sean Smith over Marcus Peters.
      Lost all credibility here.
      Peters is over rated,the media loves him because of interception.
      It’s up to us(and advanced grades) to diferentiate good players from flashy players.

      • Matt

        I wouldn’t say he’s overrated, leading the league in his rookie campaign in INT’s is no easy feat. Who was the last rookie to do that, Jairus Byrd back in 2009? It’s rare that it happens, so he deserves the hype. No, he’s not the best corner in football and INT’s aren’t everything but it’s still a very good accomplishment. Cornerback is one of the hardest positions to make to switch from college to pro, and Peters has held his own.

      • Forrest

        Peters has been a lot better in the last 10 games… at least when it comes to giving up TDs. And while Peters has given up 7 TDs, so has Malcolm Butler. FOr another perspective sort CBs by NFL QB Rating for balls thrown at them and Peters is ranked #9. So what’s more important – passing the PFF eye test or actual on the field results?

        How about the timing of a play? Is garbage time performance weighted differently than performance in competitive games? A lot of context appears to be missing. I subscribe to your premium stats and enjoy them – but they are far from flawless.

        Peters has definitely had an boom and bust type of season. But you shit all over him like he’s the worst CB in the NFL when I know there are a lot of other teams that would love to him them on their roster right now.

    • Lord Mad

      “My subjective bias demands that one player I perceive to be better and I need confirmation bias stats immediately!” – you

      • Christian K

        “Butler’s their best
        CB” – Darelle Revis

        “Butler’s their best
        CB” – Todd Bowles

        “Butler’s their best CB” – Opposing
        coaches, players, fans

        “Butler’s our best CB” – Bill Belichick

        “The grading maybe flawed if
        Butler isn’t graded as NE’s best CB when most people including his own coaches
        think he is” – me

        “You, Bowels, Revis, the NE coaching
        staff, and all the fans, players and coaches who voted Butler to the pro bowl
        sound ridiculous and have a subjective bias that is blinding them from seeing
        PFF is clearly right and they are wrong.” – Lord Mad

        • James Winslow

          I mean it is only by 4 points its not that big of a difference.

        • Lord Mad

          Ah yes, using out of context quotes and a popularity contest aka “The Pro Bowl” certainly bolsters your completely lopsided bias.

          • Mike Mitchell

            How were any of the quotes he used “out of context?” I’m not being sarcastic, I legitimately want to know why you believe they’re out of context.

          • Lord Mad

            because it’s just a bunch of filler BS media quotes. It’s not truly how they feel about a player compared to any other player in the league. It’s a pigeon holed answer from a pigeon holed question left and right. Belichick and other HCs who are smart compliment players frequently and make them out to be magnificent guys when they really aren’t that good. Reading between the lines is key.

          • Mike Mitchell

            Okay, that’s what I figured. The problem is that, filler or no, they’re not out of context. He used the quote to support his point. The quote directly related to his point. I thought the quotes were actually being used out of context. It seems like you didn’t actually mean “out of context,” you meant that they were filler, and therefore were only included in the statement to take up space. Got it.

          • Arthur Jackson

            No, I think you misunderstand ‘out of context.’ Christian used some quotes as if they were bonafide player analysis. Lord Mad is pointing out that the quotes Christian used were, in their original context, simply coach-speak and players patting each other on the back. That would, in fact, be ‘out of context.

            I didn’t watch any Patriot football this year so I can’t tell you who is better in my opinion. But I do what what a coaches bullshit sounds like.

          • Mike Mitchell

            I’m not sure if that was meant as an insult or not, but I understand what context is, and how quotes can be used to support someone’s narrative in ways that don’t honor the original context of the quote. For example, Darelle Revis may have actually said “Butler’s their best CB,” and legitimately meant the quote to be a compliment, indicating that he truly believes that Butler is New England’s best corner. OR, he may have continued with something like, “…but that’s not saying much.”

            In that case, yes — the gentleman would’ve been using Revis’ quote out of context, as he would not have been offering a legitimate compliment to Butler/New England, and that would not actually support the gentleman’s argument that not only is Butler NE’s best CB, but he’s one of the best CB’s in football, worthy of a Pro Bowl spot.

            However, _I don’t know what the full quotes were,_ hence why I asked how the quotes the gentleman used to “support” his point were “out of context.”

            I was hoping to get an answer from the gentleman in which he enlightened me as to why he considered any of the quotes used by the gentleman before him to be “out of context” by offering some sort of evidence to support his claim that those quotes were, in fact, used without honoring the context in which the quotes were made. He could’ve done so by revealing that, perhaps, the full quotes aren’t so flattering. For example, the gentleman could’ve answered me with something like:

            ****** BEGIN POSSIBLE REPLY ******
            “The guy obviously didn’t read the full quote, OR he did read the full quote, but is only acknowledging the portion of it that supports his narrative. The full quote from Revis was actually a back-handed compliment. He never actually intended to convey a legitimate belief that Butler being NE’s best cornerback means that he’s actually a quality player. You can be the best player on a bad team, and still not be a ‘good player.’ The full quote was, ‘Butler’s their best CB, but that’s not saying much. None of them are all that great.’ [NOTE: I don’t know that this is actually what Butler said, it is a hypothetical used to provide an example of what the gentleman could’ve replied to me with]

            So, how did the gentleman use the quotes out of context? Well, again, he either didn’t read/hear the full quote and therefore doesn’t realize that he’s trying to support his argument by only partially quoting Revis, ignoring that the full quote actually contradicts the argument the gentleman is trying to make. Or, he’s purposefully omitting the full quote, knowing that if he’d actually included the entire thing, he couldn’t purport what Revis said as any type of support for his argument. In so many words, Revis called Butler the “best CB” out of a group of poor-to-mediocre CB’s.”
            ****** END POSSIBLE REPLY ******

            …but I didn’t receive a response like that from anyone. Instead, all I received was a reply from a guy who wasn’t involved in the thread in the first place who tried to imply that I don’t understand the concept of “context.”

            This is not sarcasm, I legitimately want to know: I asked a gentleman (who isn’t you) why he believed that another gentleman (who also isn’t you) used quotes out-of-context to support his narrative. Do you now understand why that’s a totally valid question? If not, let me know and I’ll try to explain in a simpler way. (Seriously, this is not sarcasm. I know this is the internet and it could absolutely come off that way, so I just wanted to reiterate that.)

            Have a good one.

          • Arthur Jackson

            My post was not meant to insult. I was just pointing out that acknowledging them as filler, if that is what you did, is then an admission that the quotes were used out of context, because that is not what the person quoting is implying they [the quotes] meant.

          • Mike Mitchell

            That’s actually what I was asking — does the person who used the quotes actually know that the original statements were filler? The guy doesn’t strike me as a genius.

        • Izach

          Ryan is there best DB butler is just the new guy, butler gets all the hype due to the Super Bowl play, and he is a good CB but Logan ryan is better and more sound and experienced doesn’t make as many mistakes

    • Doc Bear

      I agree with you on a great deal, Christian. One difference – I write about the Broncos and I spend a lot of time on their film. Talib hasn’t been himself this year. He’s playing off at strange times, rounding his trail technique in sloppy ways, permitting catches that he wouldn’t have last year and committing idiotic penalties. Harris has been far ahead of Aqib – this year. I know what you’re saying, and I don’t disagree. It’s just that Denver isn’t a great example this season.
      All the best, my friend.

    • Jordan

      Realize, Peters gets more targets. Meaning his NUMBERS will drop, even if his performance on field seems better. I already explained why Ryan might be seen better then Butler below. Largely due to scheme fit. Ignore the dumbass pats fan (yes I’m calling a fellow fan a dumbass) who failed to actually provide any solid evidence to back up his statement

    • Jack Casey

      There is a difference between saying a player is better than another player, or saying a player PLAYER better than another player during a certain time frame. Who do I like more as a Patriots fan going forward? Butler. But I have no problem with some one saying Ryan played better this season.

      Also, do you really think other teams watch every single play or every single player from every other team and grade each play? No. Even some scouts only watch 4-6 games of a player they are scouting.

      • Christian K

        Butler only started playing as the starter this season. You can’t say Butler’s the better player based on his play this season but this season Ryan happens to be playing better. Either he has been better than Butler this season and should be the #1 or he hasn’t and should be the #2.

        I really don’t know what your basing your opinion of Ryan > Butler on other than PFF grades. He has played well, no question about that, but the fact that his own coaches don’t think he’s their best CB and no one outside of PFF thinks he’s their best CB, and teams are now throwing at him more often than Butler should tell you something.

    • Izach

      Logan is better but it’s not like it’s a big difference neither is in the realm of elite CBs Logan is close but not there yet butler is too but again not there yet, it’s like your arguing who taller when they are both 5’11” it doesn’t really matter because they are so close

  • A tech god

    Does anyone at PFF even watch Seattle’s games? First Kam Chancellor isn’t even playing and Jeremy Lane has been shutting down the CB spot. Tell me how such a low rated PFF CB doesn’t get challenged with sherman playing opposite corner? Its because he has excellent coverage. Seahawks are #1 in NFL team opponent passing TDs. They are #2 in opponent passing yards so how are they not even top 10 ??? Credibility

    • James Winslow

      Because when they don’t have a pass rush they have been exposed.

      • A tech god

        The Seahawks are 2nd in total defense 3nd in rushing defense and 2nd passing defense. So please tell me how they have been exposed? Exposed that they are the top 2 defense in the NFL?

        • James Winslow

          The cardinals were able to pass the ball on them, as well as the panthers, and they collapsed against the bengals. Note the top players on the seahawks secondary are very good. But like the article stated there are some noticeable holes. Also a top two defense can easily have its seocndary exposed, look at the super bowl last year it only takes one guy having a bad a game.

          • A tech god

            Those were all early season games when Seattle didn’t have Jeremy Lane and Deshawn Shead at corner. Even then all those games were decided by under a touchdown. Shead was rated in the NFL as the most athletic Seahawk and Lane intercepted Brady in the Superbowl before getting injured by an Edelman undercut. That’s when Brady was able to throw. The point is Seattle didn’t have Kam and Lane early in the season and the stats prove they greatly improved from having a corner issue to being as stingy as 2nd in the NFL now.

          • James Winslow

            Ok so lane made a play once that means he is good? . And shead had a good combine, that means he good? All the time kam has been beat this year don’t matter?

            With all that adding up I don’t think they will cause too many problems for carson palmer and newton. Luckily seattle has a bloke named russel wilson, and a good pass rush that can keep them in games.

          • A tech god

            When you brought up the Superbowl from a different season. I
            figured you didn’t know much about the Seahawks. This just confirms it even more that you have no idea who these players are. They are rated 2nd in defense in the NFL and that’s a fact. So not being top 10 in PFF is a valid argument.

          • James Winslow

            Based on your argument you seem to know less about the seahawks than me. According to you guys like kj wright and pass rushers cliff avril and micheal bennet don’t affect the total pass defense at all. Something tells me you only started watching football once the seahawks got good.

          • A tech god

            You seem to argue for the sake of it. Well thank you for agreeing with me that the Seahawks Total defense is excellent also.

          • James Winslow

            Uh yeah this whole argument was about secondaries, I was never arguing against the seattle’s total defense. Dude you need to learn how to read.

          • Mike Mitchell

            I don’t think there are many defenses that are good enough to not get exposed by an MVP QB. The Super Bowl against the Broncos a few years back (while Peyton was in the middle of that 50-TD season) was an exception — that Seattle defense was just crazy good, and firing on all cylinders at the right time.

          • James Winslow

            Definitely those defenses come once in a decade.

          • A tech god

            Carson MVP qb really exposed them to 6-36

          • James Winslow

            . I never said the defense wasn’t good but there is no such thing a suffocating defense in this NFL.

          • James Winslow

            Also meaningless game, nothing was being played for yesterday.

          • James Winslow

            But hey if you want to argue about defenses, I don’t think this defense is good enough on a whole, to not get exposed by an MVP Qb.

          • NFLrealdeal

            fangirl STFU Seattle has a good defense but their secondary are not as great as you are hyping them up to be.

          • A tech god

            I wonder how many of your comments are filled with nothing but hate and name calling. I’m willing to bet you are/were a sherman hater

          • Mike Mitchell

            I wonder how many of your conversations are filled with nothing but arguments which you never support with facts in any way. Offer *some sort of support* to your arguments (link to expert analysis, expert opinion, hard, factual evidence that doesn’t just rely on one facet of someone’s performance/support your narrative — take the whole of the picture into consideration, and make sure any “supporting evidence” you provide does as well) or else nobody’s going to take you seriously. You’re going to be looked upon as a fanboy. Don’t blame it on anyone else. Don’t deflect with “you just hate and name-call,” take responsibility for what you say. If you’re not prepared to back any of it up with *facts,* then it’s nobody’s fault but your own if nobody takes you seriously.

            That username honestly doesn’t help. That’s not sarcasm, it’s my honest opinion. I’m not sure a “tech god” (which, I have no idea what qualifies you as a “god”) is in any position to be claiming facts about sports when “tech” and “athletics” are separate fields, even if they’re tenuously related. Certainly you shouldn’t be claiming “facts” without supporting your argument with actual fact. Cite something.

          • A tech god

            You really complaining about my username. I have some world rankings in my field. My family business is top 500 alexa ranked. Paul allen and the seahawks do business with one of my companies.

          • Mike Mitchell

            oh, really? I guess that excludes you from supporting your arguments with fact?

            How about we start getting some factual support for those statements you make right now?

            What’s the name of your family business? I’ll check Alexa for myself.

            What’s the name of “one of your businesses that Paul Allen and the Seahawks do business with?” I’ll do some research for myself.

            You’re obviously not gonna back anything up with links, so I’ll do the work for you. You’re welcome.

          • A tech god

            If i wanted my name known I wouldnt be using this nick. Yes i made up all this. Lets just say its between 20 million and 80 million unique visitors a month. Don’t believe me I have no care.

          • Mike Mitchell

            “They are rated 2nd in defense in the NFL and that’s a fact.”

            …by whom? Link?

            …and even if they are a *consensus* number 2 in the NFL (consensus being the KEYWORD there), what does that have to do with your original statement or PFF’s grading? Why couldn’t they have the 11th-rated secondary and still be the 2nd-best defense in the NFL?

          • A tech god

            NFL.COM They are 1st to 3rd in almost every defensive category. So sit down

          • Mike Mitchell

            I can say “” and tell you that my balls lead the league in yards, too.

            Post a SPECIFIC. LINK. Or stop acting like your word is dogma, clown.

          • A tech god

            I put that link because its easy to find it. Unless you are one of those employees that has to be told specifically how to do tasks. Go back to playing video games and looking for a job.

            My words affect many unlike yours.


          • James Winslow

            Lol a tech god needs to go back to school. If they are actually a thing in Seattle.

          • A tech god

            Lane 2 passes defended and intecepted Carson. Would of had 2 if Shead didnt deflect the second. Shead also had an interception and would of had 2 also.

          • James Winslow

            So in meaningless game secondary played well. Ok I am glad you have your set high.

          • A tech god

            Lol you are really going to come with that excuse. Sure it was meaningless when carolina was playing at the same time for 1st place. Sure it was meaningless when Bruce Arians had a red face angry all game with all his starters in. I’m glad you watched the game and saw what all i wrote came to become the truth. While everything you wrote now looks quite silly. The cardinals have always had an inferiority complex over seattle. It’s well known to become the champ you have to beat the champ.

          • James Winslow

            Lol you are delusional kid, we will see coming playoffs. Lol the truth, you just made my day.

          • A tech god

            Just look at your past comments. They look really clueless after the Arizona game even after you tried to strengthen your point with carson palmer.
            Look what wrote today

            “The unit still led the NFL in scoring defense — for the fourth straight season — giving up just 17.3 points per game. And the defense has been even better than that in the past five games, yielding just 11 points per game — with two of those five contest coming against playoff teams in which they didn’t allow double-digit points.”

            11 points a game the past 5 games. Jeremy Lane came back 5 ½ games ago. Enjoy your fake made day

          • James Winslow

            Dude you are hilarious. First from your comments you have no clue what pass rush is, and have no clue what a secondary is. You kept defending the seattles secondary by quoting theIR total defense. Its a team sport dipshit, you kept implying that seattle edge rushers and linebackers had no impact. You also honestly believed that the game against the arizona cardinals was statement game, when barely anything was on the table for arizona or even seattle, (But Arizona was potentially playing for the number one seed ” lol yeah carolina kind of made that out of reach) . In truth the Seattle’s defense is quite good. but you are delusional to believe that they will suffocate teams. Good offense have been able to score on them all year, for the most part. Also in your opinion jeremy lane is the mvp, wow two passes defended amazing DPOY!!! Also please keep commenting, you give me a big laugh every time you post :).

          • A tech god

            While you call me names and argue about something as elementary as how all positions matter because this is a TEAM sport. Professional NFL analysts are repeating my comments WORD for WORD.



          • James Winslow

            Maybe Shannon Sharpe, but he barely has human intelligence. Don’t post stupid shit if u don’t want to get hurt bro.

          • A tech god

            Wow each comment you are degenerating more and more. LOL it’s Bucky Brooks & Daniel Jeremiah NFL scouts. I’m done

          • James Winslow

            Lol Jeremy lane broke up two passes. The next revis Island. :)

          • Jared

            Injured by an Edelman undercut? Weird, I remember him being injured by breaking his arm while bracing a fall when being tackled after an interception.

          • A tech god

            A dirty tackle looking to injure a player by going at his knees with his helmet. A receiver of all people should know better

          • Kyle Kennedy, CSCS

            Dude, almost every tackle is like that. I played db in college, almost every db tackles low, the ball carrier has to try and dive over or brace and get cut out no matter what. He doesn’t know how to run with the ball, that doesn’t make anyone else dirty. Like everyone else, read the article. They’re talking about grades not team success. If you watch unbiased you’ll notice there are a lot of other truly exceptional secondaries that don’t have nicknames

          • A tech god

            He torn his acl from edelmans helmet which flew off after hitting lanes knee.. I never once said anything about sherman or the LOB

          • Kyle Kennedy, CSCS

            I read all your comments and I replied to multiple comments. Impact doesn’t tear a ligament or running backs would tear them every play. There is no rule against tackling below the waist. To the contrary, they are penalizing high tackles to protect the head. Stop complaining about your player getting hurt. Seattle players tackle low every play as well.

          • Mike Mitchell

            How can you possibly know what dude’s intentions were? Do you know Julian Edelman? Does the guy have a history of “hurting people?” The guy’s 5-foot-NOTHING. Stop. Be realistic. He was “looking to injure” him by going at his knees, yet he broke his arm? You just sound like an angry fan who is spewing bias with stuff like that.

          • A tech god

            He torn his acl from edelmans helmet which flew off after hitting lanes knee.

          • Mike Mitchell

            I’ll repeat.

            How – can you – possibly – know what – dude’s intentions were?
            Do – you know – Julian Edelman?
            Did – Julian Edelman – tell you personally – what dude’s intentions were?

        • ninersfranchise>Seattlechokes

          Exposed as in choke two straight games to the Bengals and the panthers. Btw thanks Seattle, I lost money on that panther game bunch of choke artist bitches.

  • Matt

    Denver has a better secondary than NE. They should be #1 on the list, more INT’s, they have allowed fewer passing touchdowns (17 by Denver and 22 for NE) and have also allowed fewer pass yards, Denver: 2,986 NE: 3,510

  • Footroo

    What about Butler made him unsung in the super bowl last year?

    • childress

      Butler’s having a good season but he’s still not in the same class as Revis, Norman or Sherman. He works his ass off. But in my opinion his height holds back. He’s 5’11.

      • KingCheese

        Revis is the same height as Butler.

    • Kyle Kennedy, CSCS

      He had a great game but if he was that amazing they would’ve have started him all year

  • Malachi

    reverse order would be preferable tho

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  • childress

    According to the Patriots are the 10th best team at passing defense, restricting opponents to a QB rate of 85.3. Panthers, Chiefs and Broncos are 1,2 and 3.

    • James Winslow

      So Linebacker coverage, and pass rush don’t factor into pass defense at all? Also yards are the only things that matter in the nfl?

      • childress

        Everything factors in.

    • Jack Casey

      Didn’t it say Revis is #2 in QBR allowed? Any one who watched him play knows Revis was not the second best corner in the league this year.