Pro Podcast: Week 13 review

Sam Monson and Mike Renner fill you in on everything you need to know from NFL Week 13's games.

| 7 months ago

Pro Podcast: Week 13 review

Senior Analysts Sam Monson and Mike Renner break down all of the biggest news coming out of NFL Week 13’s games, including:

  • What’s the deal with dress code violations?
  • Which players can contending teams least afford to lose?
  • How in the world did the Cardinals win this week?
  • Could the 2016 Alabama defense hold its own in the NFL?


  • Mark Erickson

    Agree with Sam on the subject of Alabama, or rather the best college teams, versus the worst of professional teams. Alabamas defense would not be NFL worthy, and more in regards to Mikes point, would not be better than New Orleans notoriously bad 2015 defense. As Sam pointed out, a lot more is expected out of pro defenses to predict and prevent. I will stay open to Mikes idea that maybe Alabamas defense actually has more talent, but if you were to send the Tide to, with a week or 2 of preparation, to defend the most inept NFL offenses (Jacksonville, Minnesota, NYJ, Chicago) they would be destroyed by at least 30 points if not more. Mostly it isn’t because of a rift of physical talent (although it’s there), but you’re defending 11 guys far more dedicated to the game, with experience competing at the highest level, and running offenses with a far deeper selection of plays. I just can’t bet on a group of young guys who may or may not make the pros rather than a group that DID make the pros and have experience playing the game at its highest level, even if their play is near the leagues bottom…

  • ToreBear

    The Lions beat the @Vikings in week9 without Slay. Diggs got a lot of catches, but the Lions still won.

    As a lions fan, I don’t think you hate the Lions. I take the road that says don’t interpret anything as malice when it could just as easily be incompetence.

    About Ansahs sacks last year. I think you dinged his grade for him being unblocked when he had some of them, same I assume in the run game.

    What kind of NFL coordinator leaves a freak athlete unblocked on a play? In this case I suspect you are assuming incompetence by the coordinator for leaving him unblocked. (assuming incompetence by someone who has made a career in that area is something I never do especially if my competence is not on their level).

    Could it be that the coordinator had a plan in place and Ansah still beat that plan?

    Your evaluation system seems to have a lot of holes, and I don’t get the feeling that you have a culture of acceptance to being wrong and are actively searching for alternate explanations.

    In this years Lions case. Are they not as good as their record and extremely lucky? Or is your assessment of their quality in error and that luck is as much a factor as for other teams?

    In my mind, luck is a label you put on a phenomena, when all other explanations you come up with don’t explain that phenomena. But attributing something to luck is similar to attributing something to God. If someone told you the Lions have won so many games because God wills it. What would you think about that person?

    • PFFSamMonson

      1. Players are left unblocked all the time. It can be by design on rollouts, it can be other players forcing the ball to be held and that guy getting a chance that shouldn’t be there. It can be a mistake on the line. A disproportionate number of Ansah’s plays were unblocked or clean up as a result of other people. They were not ‘high quality’ sacks.

      2. Why does there have to be anything extreme about it? The NFL revolves around luck. The Lions have been in whole series of close games in which single plays have determined outcomes. Change five plays in the team’s season and they have a losing record, and they’re a footnote in the season. You might choose to believe that’s collective clutch ability and indicative of their quality and ability to win tough games. More than one of us choose to believe it’s just the way the games have gone, and they are fundamentally less capable than their record.

      If you don’t like the word luck, replace it with random chance

      • ToreBear

        1. I understand your problem, and I don’t take it very hard. It’s good that you see that there can be more to it than what you see on tape. Now he is sackless this year, so you might have proven to be right.

        2. How many teams can say if they change x number of plays they would have y number of wins? I think quite a few. As a lions fan I remember two bad calls in the final minutes that were lost winns last season. And had those been called correctly IIRC the Lions would be in the playoffs instead of the Seahwks and the Packers.

        It seems to me the design of the league is to have such close games. How many games are decided by one score and perhaps by extension one play? I seem to remember the league talking about over 50 percent at one point.

        If you use luck to explain so many close wins and losses you are leaving a pretty huge part of the season up to luck or chance.

        Take Jim Caldwell. When he was hired he was brought in to get the team to “finish better(Whatever Mayhew meant by that). The Lions 2013 season had taken a nose dive by loosing a lot of one score games. Among others an “unlucky” game to a 61 yard game ending field goal by Baltimores Kicker.

        The interesting thing about close comback wins is that Peyton Manning also had 7(like stafford) comebacks in 2009. I think Eli 6 or 7 some season too. Otherwise there arent any teams/QBs that have had so many.

        The Key is that Jim Caldwell was Peytons HC in 2009, and he is also the Lions HC in 2016.

        Is this a fluke that he has had so many close games in a season with two different teams? Possible.

        Then you add that Stafford has a history of comebacks where the score ends up being real close. He had that before Caldwell arrived and has become better at it.

        Curiously Darius Slay was given the nickname Bigplay Slay by his college coach. And that seems to have been accurate this season.

        Finally you add Prater who has never missed a FG in these situations. Just like Tucker did to the Lions, Prater has done to a lot of other teams. Both are good in making that one difficult kick successfully.

        So you have a: clutch head coach + clutch QB + clutch corner + clutch kicker = luck? chance? clutch team?

        If thats luck thats some impressive luck. Put another way, if the Lions 7 wins in close games is the same as me winning the lottery. I would contest that I won the lottery because I bought 80 percent of the lottery tickets.

        So do you still see the Lions season as luck/random chance or are you starting to come around to there being more to this than luck?

        In this case I would say the variable luck is best described as(luck+HC+QB+CB+K)

  • Lester White

    I don’t think