VIDEO: Eddie Lacy is better than Jamaal Charles

Cris Collinsworth compares two dynamic backs, Eddie Lacy and Jamaal Charles, ahead of their Week 3 matchup.

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(AP Photo/Ed Zurga)

(AP Photo/Ed Zurga)

VIDEO: Eddie Lacy is better than Jamaal Charles


Cris Collinsworth compares Eddie Lacy and Jamaal Charles ahead of the Packers-Chiefs matchup in Week 3. Based on PFF’s grading system, Lacy’s all-around ability may give him the edge.

  • Kason Edell

    I wish the premium stats would be available!

    • Tim Edell

      Hey look who it is???!

  • crosseyedlemon

    Lacy benefits greatly by being on an offense with several other weapons. Defenses can’t focus on him to the same degree they can on Charles who doesn’t have a great receiver corp around him to relieve the burden.

    • lewk

      Maybe Charles’s teammates would look a little better if he wasn’t a liability in pass protection.

      • Steve Jones

        Lol Charles is a beast at pass pro & you’re an idiot if you can’t see that

        • Phillip

          It looks as if PFF says otherwise. 30th in pass blocking efficiency. But hey, don’t let the facts ruin your biased opinion.

          • Hawthorne

            Stats are never a replacement for the eye test. Charles is known to be a good pass protector. If you are going off his numbers from this year, keep this in mind Charles has been predominantly pass blocking Von Miller and JJ Watt. Lacy has been blocking vs a Seahawks team who lost two starters on the Dline and a Chicago defense that is terrible. Making any kind of judgement based on 2 games worth of stats is just silly.

          • Joe

            Apparently your “eye test” is the only real thin anybody should care about. Why aren’t you a fantasy analyst or even an NFL analyst if you’re so good at seeing talent?

          • Hawthorne

            Not saying me personally. Saying PFF is purely formula based and human performance cannot be accurately quantified by a formula, especially when that formula is only applied over two games against vastly different opponents. Ask an NFL fan who is not a packers or a Chiefs fan who is better between Lacy and Charles. If they watched plenty of both of them, they will say Charles. Charles YPC has always been higher than Lacy’s. Of course, his career average is also the highest in the history of the NFL. If Aaron Rogers had a good game and a bad game, and Ben Roethlesburger had two good games, would that make Rothelesburger better? No. But they’re both darn good QBs.

          • crosseyedlemon

            The elite runners are paid to gain yards rushing…if they happen to be good pass blocker that’s a bonus but it’s not held against them if they aren’t. You wouldn’t draft an offensive lineman in the first round and worry whether he could gain yards with a recovered fumble.

          • Tyler Conwell

            Pass protection is absolutely a necessary and crucial component of being a running back in the NFL. How often do we hear, over and over, about highly talented runners coming out of college that sit on the bench b/c they can’t, or struggle, at pass protection. Jay Ajayi, 5th round draft pick for the Dolphins was supposed to take carries away from Lamar Miller but, quickly fell down the depth chart b/c he struggled at pass protection, (not to mention his injury).

      • Steve Jones

        Lol Charles is a beast at pass pro & you’re an idiot if you can’t see that

    • Phillip

      Lacy graded out as the 5th best RB in the NFL as a rookie with basically no passing game for half the year. Lacy is far from just a product of his surroundings, he’s a beast and continues to get better and better. 5th best back as a rookie, 3rd best last year, bet he finishes top 5 once again in 2015 and it’s cause he is a great RB!!

      • Hawthorne

        Grades are no substitute for film review. Compare the two players playing against the same team and then evaluate for yourself which is better. Comparing straight stats just doesn’t cut it, though if you compare the most important RB stat YPC Charles wins every time against every RB in NFL history that’s a FACT.

        • Cant FixStupid

          Haha, are you trying to tell me that Charles is the best RB in NFL history now??? Haha. And where do the grades come from??? Film review!! I find it so funny when people get so upset when somebody calls a RB better than their favorite RB. I could careless who is actually better. All i know is Eddie Lacy is a great runner, probably the 2nd best power back in the league behind Lynch. He’s a great pass protector and has become a great receiver out the backfield, and i know he is without a doubt one of the 3 down RB’s in the NFL. If it makes you feel better to think Charles is better and the best, go ahead, i don’t care, but obviously PFF feels otherwise.

          • Hawthorne

            Charles has the highest YPC average in the history of the NFL. Yup. I’ll take that over a 2-game systematic analysis that is flawed.

        • Cant FixStupid

          And it’s not exact science to compare 2 RB’s just off facing the same team. Circumstances can play a major factor, such as home or away, injuries. Like last year for instance. They both faced Seattle, Jets, NE and Buffalo. Lacy faced Seattle on the road to open the season, where Charles got them at home midseason without Wagner. Both had the Jets at home, but Lacy was in just his 2nd game where the Packers offense was sputtering to start the year and Charles got them mid season. Both really didn’t do anything anyway. 22 touches, 88 yards for Charles, 3.9 ypc, Lacy 15 touches 61 yards, 3.3 ypc. Both averaged 4 yards per touch. Both got NE at home, Charles 92 rushing, 16 receiving, 5.1 ypc. Lacy 98 rushing, 17 receiving, 4.7 ypc. Both were at Buffalo, Charles 98 rushing, 20 receiving, 6.5 ypc. Lacy 97 rushing, 11 receiving, 6.5 ypc. So really, facing the same opponents with the same home/away, they were fairly dead even. And where you bring up Charles average a higher ypc last year, 5.0 to 4.6, Lacy’s yards per reception was significantly higher, 10.2 to 7.3. Like i said though, i couldn’t care less which one is consider the better RB, i know both are 2 of the top 5-6 RB’s in the NFL and both are great at doing their job and will continue to be. If it upsets you that PFF gives a slight edge to Lacy, well i’m sorry.

          • Hawthorne

            I don’t care what PFF thinks. Just irritating when people take it is as gospel truth. Their analysis after a full year is fairly decent, but after a few games it’s pretty flawed. Also their elusiveness stats are BS. Anyone in the NFL will tell you Charles is more elusive than Lacy.

        • Joe

          You can argue and say yards after contact is more indicative of a backs ability, YPC does bode will for speedy backs but could also be influenced by an O line. Look at murray last year

          • Hawthorne

            You could, as a 1 year stat it’s probably flawed, but as a career stat it still gives probably the best picture or RB performance, after all, few RBs have the same offensive line year in and year out. In Charles case, Chiefs had one of the worst Oline’s in the league last year, no good WRs (their #1 last year is a healthy inactive for the Browns this year) and he still managed to average 5 YPC. There really is no one stat that sums up a RB. Power and zone schemes are just totally different in what they attempt to do it’s very difficult to compare zone backs to power backs. The reason I say Charles is better than Lacy is because there are two power backs most would agree are better than Lacy: Lynch and Peterson. There are no better speed backs in the NFL than Charles, McCoy and Forte are probably the only ones who come close. Vision, Balance, Speed and Power all play a role. In 2013 Charles literally accounted for 40% of all offensive production for the team. Charles has more power than you would think, but he’s not a power back like Lacy or Lynch. He does, however, possess great vision, insane balance and crazy speed. He’s one of the few runners who can cut and lose 0 speed.

          • Benjamin Andrew Lindberg

            Mccoy and Forte….NOT speed backs. Where did you get that idea?

      • Hawthorne

        Grades are no substitute for film review. Compare the two players playing against the same team and then evaluate for yourself which is better. Comparing straight stats just doesn’t cut it, though if you compare the most important RB stat YPC Charles wins every time against every RB in NFL history that’s a FACT.

  • Mike

    This video was dumb. All Collinsworth did was state the exact things we can look up ourselves at PFF. Offered no actual breakdown or educational value.

    • Vitor

      IF we could access the premium stats…

      • crosseyedlemon

        What exactly are premium stats? I’m guessing they have to do with specific in game situations (example – performance when trailing by 7 points or performance in the red zone etc.)

  • Anthony

    Lol Charles is miles better

    • Phillip

      Yet, the ratings have Lacy rated as the better all around player. But hey, don’t let the facts ruin your biased opinion.

      • Peter885

        PFF ratings aren’t “facts”. Sorry to burst your bubble on this.

        • Cant FixStupid

          And neither is your biased opinion. Sorry to burst your bubble on that.

      • Hawthorne

        So many problems with PFF stats. For instance Charles will out juke 3 defensive players and go down with the first time he actually gets hit for a gain of ten yards. Lacy will break 3 tackles for a gain of 5 yards. Lacy gets higher elusiveness score on PFF for his run than Charles longer run which actually demonstrated, to those smart enough to use their eyes, more elusiveness. You wanna make a comparison, compare yards per carry. Who is better there huh? Charles this year and the last two 4.9, 5.0,5.0. Lacy the same time period 4.1, 4.6, 4.3. Further, Lacy does this with Aaron Rogers and an elite pass game to take off the pressure, Charles is the NFL record holder in YPC despite playing on multiple teams with no pass threat whatsoever. In 2011 when Matt Cassel was his QB he averaged 6.9 YPC.

        • Anthony

          PFF really has trouble grading RBs. It’s by far their worst positional grade IMO

        • LightsOut85

          I would say the rating isn’t bad, it’s just has a misleading name (but you are dead on, in terms of what the rating “misses”. I’m sure of those “missed tackle-attempts” from jukes (etc) would bring such players into elite rankings). If it was advertised as a broken tackle rating, it’d be fine.

      • Anthony

        PFF ratings are facts? Lol this thread has been full of laughs.

  • Tyler Conwell

    Absolutely meaningless! Chris Collinsworth, in my opinion, is one of the best in the industry at breaking down the game of football. He’s very in-tune to whats going on down on the field and is able to effectively relate this to the audience. So why not use his natural instinct and wit for the game and let him be a little subjective and offer an actual opinion about these backs that would enlighten us. NOT SIMPLY READ OFF stats and numbers, which tell nothing of the actual truth. Charles is far more explosive and elusive than Lacy (No disrespect to Lacy, Lacy is an incredible RB and beats Charles out in other categories) but Charles simply doesn’t have the receptions and numbers of Lacy because he doesn’t have a top 5 offensive line and the best QB in the league. If Charles played for the Cowboys (or the Pack) last year he would have beat all the all-time rushing records! Easy! Andy Ried simply holds back Charles to keep him healthy and fresh, but also knows Defense’s entire game plan is on stopping Charles so he’s used as a decoy to open up play-action and trick the defenses consistently and repeatedly.

    • LightsOut85

      Because he saw “advanced metrics” as a nice opportunity to make money. (Apparently, by taking something that gave a lot of information-power to us little guys, and making it (in a month or w/e) only available to those who already have a ton of such information at their disposal. And now we just have to “trust” them).

  • cjf99b

    I like PFF and I like Collinsworth but this makes me want to discount your grading system. I’m not sure what the point is comparing Charles to Lacy other than to troll clicks but if you are going to go there, don’t use a metric like “elusiveness.” If your grading system tells you that Lacy is more elusive than Charles in any context then its probably a bad idea to disclose it. They are both talented but Charles is a rare and special talent. As much as I like Lacy, he ins’t even on the same planet as Jamaal Charles. I can’t believe I let myself get trolled into posting a response to something so stupid. SMH.

    • LightsOut85

      Definitely agree, although I would clarify/defend the “elusiveness” in that, I think that’s not really what that metric measures (+ it’s not a grade, it’s literally measuring broken tackles) – it’s just a poor/misleading name. It benefits guys who are bruisers who are going to HAVE to deal with tackles (& break/slip them) more than guys who can do a little shiver/shake & avoid even a tackle *attempt* (ex: like when a guy gets “frozen” by the RB’s move & doesn’t even attempt a tackle – that’s a move made by the RB, but AFAIK that’s not marked as a missed tackle because it wasn’t a physical tackle attempt). The bruisers also are the kind who get multiple broken tackles when things start to “pile up”, but the shifty guys are more prone to get going faster & get more yards if they’re able to escape a tackle (or even better, missed tackle-attempt).

      Latter guys are who fans think of when they hear “elusive” (someone like Charles, LeSean McCoy, or Darren Sproles), but they happen to be guys who are “hurt” by Elu. Rating (not bad, those guys rank okay, but not as elite of rankings as their shiftiness would make you think they would).