Seahawks: Ryan gets a leg up

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Seahawks: Ryan gets a leg up


PFF-headlinesThe sad reality is that kickers and punters are only highlighted when they mess up and receive little or no praise when successful. While Seattle Seahawks punter Jon Ryan won’t change that perception overnight, he has quietly put together an extremely productive 2014 season.

Through three weeks, Ryan’s +9.0 punting grade ranks second in the league behind Washington’s Tress Way. Only three of his 12 punts have been returned, and he’s backed the opponent up inside of their 20-yard line seven times.

He even kicked off last week for the first time in two years. Not only did he earn a +1.3 grade on the kick, but the distance (79.0 yards) and hang time (5.27 seconds) are both best in the league so far this year. All told, it was an impressive overall performance (+5.8) and one that made him an easy selection to the Week 3 PFF All-Star Team of the Week.

  • [email protected]

    He’s a good punter. Lets not lose our minds here. Punters get more credit than they deserve. Theyre no more important than your 3rd string linebacker who plays special teams.

    • Dohkay

      Give your guy some credit! Field position is a huge part of the game and he’s been excellent at pinning opponents deep in their own territory. Long fields for the opponent usually mean shorter fields for your offense.

      • [email protected]

        Fine, he’s an above average punter. He kicks a football really hard several times a game. Meanwhile other guys are busting their butts and putting blood sweat and tears into a dangerous and physical game. How is that underappreciated?

        • Dohkay

          That’s not the point. They have a bigger impact on games than your third string LB. Who cares what they do as long as they take their punting or kicking responsibilities seriously and perform.

          • [email protected]

            The point of the article was that kickers were so under appreciated and we all needed to give them some belly rubs. They get more attention than they deserve already. They are soccer players who couldnt cut it in the MLS.

          • Dohkay

            We know the real reason you hated the article. It suggested that maybe someone besides Russell Wilson had a hand in helping the TEAM beat Denver. It’s fine. You can just pretend Wilson scored TDs on every drive and intercepted Manning too.

          • [email protected]

            I never said that, but you did say that kickers win games by themselves. I’d like to hear more about that.

          • Dohkay

            JT scored 18 which is more than Russell has scored in a third of his games. Plus he has clutch GW FGs. Boom.

          • [email protected]

            Have you ever watched a real football game? Even on tv?

          • [email protected]

            What i DID say was that Russell Wilson didn’t have any less of a part of winning the Superbowl than any other QB who has won it. You think Joe Montana didn’t have help? Troy Aikman did it by himself? Eli Manning? The only one you can argue is Peyton Manning and *I* would argue he won the superbowl with less help because he played a bunch of bad teams.

          • Dohkay

            Whatever helps you sleep at night. :)

        • bobrulz

          You must have learned about special teams from the Redskins.

          • [email protected]

            I must have learned about kickers from playing football.

          • bobrulz

            And yet you still don’t understand how important field position is. When you have a punter that consistently pins a team inside the 20 yard line, that’s extremely valuable. And you need a kicker than can consistently make field goals, and long ones too. It’s not an easy job, either. Maybe you played football in high school, and so you just assume all kickers suck? News flash, most high school teams – hell even most college teams – have bad kickers because punting and place kicking are REALLY DIFFICULT. But the ones that do have something that can make a difference that the other team simply couldn’t dream to have. It’s people with your mindset getting into coaching positions that devalue special teams in the first place.

            Yes they’re specialists. They don’t do a lot of the same things other players do, but you’re just an idiot if you think that they’re less valuable than you simply because they don’t watch all the film and do all the same exercises the other plays do. How many games every year are lost or won on special teams? How often does a bad punt at the wrong give a team a chance to come back at the end of a game? How about a kicker that nails that 60 yarder at the end of a game?

            A 3rd-string linebacker can’t do any of that. At most they might make a couple of tackles. If they’re real lucky, they might get a big play. How can they POSSIBLY be more valuable than your kickers?

        • bobrulz

          You’re literally an idiot if you think that punting is just “kicking a ball really hard”.

      • [email protected]

        Have you ever seen a kicker try to tackle someone? http://www.veoh.com/watch/v783240557RfAtNdS

        • Dohkay

          I have seen kickers single-handedly win games. I haven’t seen third string LBs do it.

          • [email protected]

            You don’t punt your way to victory.

          • Dohkay

            Scott, you seem to enjoy these rather silly arguments…

            Simply put, who has a bigger impact on a game? Your punter or your third string LB?

          • [email protected]

            Third string LB. Every time you punt the football its a turnover.

          • Dohkay

            Justin Tucker vs the Lions last year. 6 for 6 including a game winning 61 yarder.

          • [email protected]

            I’m sure Justin Tucker moved his team into field goal range. Did he prevent the other team from scoring more than 18 points too? It sounds to me like it was a team effort, 95% of which he was spanking it on the sidelines.

          • Dohkay

            He just did what was asked of him. No different than Russell, right? If the defense gave up 18 he’d probably just have kicked another clutch game winning FG!

          • [email protected]

            I never said Russell Wilson won a game by himself and you know it. You can’t argue with what i actually say so you argue with what i did not say.

          • Dohkay

            No… I’m simply restating your point earlier about Wilson. Don’t blame Tucker for winning with only 6 FGs. I’m sure if they were losing by 18 he’d simply kick another FG to win similar to Wilson who would just score another TD per game if his defense gave up more than 15 per game.

          • [email protected]

            That is a confusing statement. Either you are saying that i was correct in my alleged argument about Russell Wilson and he does win games single handedly, or that your current argument is total bs. Which is it?

            Are you wrong now or were you wrong earlier?

          • Dohkay

            #sarcasm

          • Dohkay

            By the way, take a look at all the comments on here and upvotes. You’re the only one on this side of the argument. Hint: you’re wrong.

          • [email protected]

            I’m the only one on this side of the argument. Hint: i’m probably right. Most people are dumb. The 10 idiots all agree that the 1 smart person is wrong.

          • Dohkay

            Anyone that thinks a LB who rarely sees the field, if ever, is more valuable than a kicker or a punter is a moron. Good try.

          • [email protected]

            I never said that. Way to misquote me. Strawman much?

          • Dohkay

            Equal to? Either way, still idiotic.

          • [email protected]

            First of all i said a punter wasnt MORE valuable. Second of all i said a backup linebacker who PLAYS SPECIAL TEAMS. So he sees the field more frequently than your punter or kicker. Not to mention he also plays some linebacker if guys need a rest.

            Do you call people idiots because that is what you are? Makes me wonder.

          • Dohkay

            Does he touch the ball? Whats he make, a tackle or two per game, max? Just as important as a punter who controls field position on 5 or 6 punts per game. Just as important as a kicker who kicks a FG or two per game plus XPs?

            DOHKAY!

          • [email protected]

            This is not fantasy football. A backup linebacker who plays special teams is usually your special teams captain. That would be somebody like Heath Farwell. Heath Farwell is more valuable than a kicker.

          • Dohkay

            When Ryan punts it and forces a fair catch what did your LB do? What about when he or the kicker boot the kickoff thru the endzone? Did your LB do anything?

          • [email protected]

            Who do you think is covering that punt downfield? Real football players.

          • Dohkay

            1 of the 10 players not kicking. Who kicked the ball down the field and kept it in the air long enough for one of the 10 players to get in that position? Also, answer the second part. When the kicker or punter kicks it out of the endzone on a kickoff what does your LB do???

    • Brandon

      Ask the steelers how it feels to not have a guy that can boom a 50+ yard punt in crunch time against the bucs. Cuz they would tell you they would trade their 3rd string linebacker for Jon Ryan solely for that 1 kick.

      • [email protected]

        Ask the Broncos how it feels to have a bad kickoff coverage team?

        • CMNPatsFan

          they’re specialists who are asked to do something that is incredibly difficult. In fact, some of them are gifted athletes like Vinatieri (qb in college), Haushka (played multiple sports before focusing on FB) or Ray Guy who is supposedly an incredibly gifted athlete. They make the sacrifices it takes to perform an incredibly specialized and important part of the game. I’ve had coaches argue that the punt in the single most important play in football because of the potential for things to go wrong. Missed snaps, blocks, bad distance, bad field position as opposed to giving your defense a chance in good field position. Its an extremely important play. Certainly, it is more important than your 3rd string (maybe not 3rd guy in) LB

          • [email protected]

            Check out my video posted below, and tell me again what a great athlete Hauschka is.

          • bobrulz

            Kickers aren’t paid to be “athletes”, they’re paid to kick footballs.

            I’m legitimately beginning to think that a kicker banged your hot girlfriend in high school and you’re still bitter about it.

          • [email protected]

            I didn’t have a hot girlfriend in highschool. SO TAKE THAT! HAH!

          • [email protected]

            Yes, so whats so great about bad athletes who kick a ball hard? I’m waiting for the piece about how underappreciated long snappers are and how they win and lose football games single handedly.

          • Andrew Rathbun

            I think I speak for everyone when I say that you’re low football IQ is just embarrassing Scott. To put that in terms you can understand, you no think good.

          • [email protected]

            I’m sure you would say that because that nobody is agreeing with me that i’m wrong. I would say its more indicative of the opposite.

        • flyerhawk

          Sacrifices don’t win games. Excelling at your sport do. An exceptionally good punter is invaluable.

          The Seahawks had allowed 15 TOTAL return yards through the first 15 games of the season last year.

          A punter who gets you 40 yards a game and doesn’t allow punt returns because of hang, changes the balance of a game.

    • CMNPatsFan

      you’re completely wrong Scott. A punter has a far larger impact on the game than any other special teamer

      • [email protected]

        Your backup linebacker can also play linebacker if there is an injury.

        • bobrulz

          So…don’t you want reliable, good kickers that are unlikely to screw up? According to your mindset, kickers are so useless they might as well not even be a part of the team.

          • [email protected]

            I’m saying there are 50 other guys on the team who are at least as valuable and those guys work a lot harder and take a lot more risk. Kickers get more credit than they deserve already and don’t need any pity.

  • northbendknights

    Scott which kicker or punter stuck a stick up your butt because you sure got a thing against them, you argument is really stupid a kicker or punter is much more valuable than a 3rd string LB but I guess to you a 3rd string LB is so much more athletic than a kicker that they should be able to kick/punt it further….smh

    • [email protected]

      A third string linebacker was Superbowl MVP.

  • raif

    Everybody take it easy on Scott…It’s difficult to understand the intricacy’s of football when you’re just sitting in front of your computer watching the fantasy ticker.