ReFo: Colts @ Texans, Week 6

Thursday Night Football finally got competitive as the Colts held off the Texans. Khaled Elsayed looks at some of the big performances.

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ReFo: Colts @ Texans, Week 6


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Thursday Night Football, home of the blowout, and that seemed likely again when the Indianapolis Colts raced out into a 17 point lead.

But a spirited comeback by the Houston Texans turned this midweek outing the most exciting of the year, as an improved defensive effort and some big plays on offense gave the team a chance to drive for the win with two minutes to go.

Unfortunately for Houston it wasn’t to be as some poor ball security by Ryan Fitzpatrick put a dampening on his day. The Colts on the other hand can breathe a sigh of relief after their offense exploded out of the blocks only to limp past the finishing line.

Let’s take a look at some of the most noteworthy performances.

Indianapolis Colts – Performances of Note

T.Y. Hilton, WR: +4.1

Breakdown: That was some effort from Hilton who caught every ball thrown his way as the Texans secondary struggled to contend with his speed. 223 yards is always an impressive feat but it was the ease of which Hilton beat the coverage that really stood out.

Signature Stat: Moved up to 2.63 yards per route run on the year, eighth most of any receiver.

Pat McAfee, P: +5.8

Breakdown: I don’t know if I’ve ever talked about a punter in a ReFocused before, especially not  for a winning team. But this warrants it. The onside recovery (whether called or a heads up play on his part) was executed perfectly, every deep kickoff went for a touchback and his punting had fantastic hangtime, location and distance so that none of those were returned. It doesn’t get any better than that.

Signature Play: A third onside kick recovery on the year by the Colts with 11.13 to go in the first quarter. It led to a free possession that may ultimately have been the difference between the two teams.

Gosder Cherilus, RT: -6.0

Breakdown: An ugly performance from the right tackle who may regard his late third down trip on J.J. Watt as his best play of the day. It was in the passing game he was particularly poor, failing on a cut block that almost led to a pick, beaten routinely by Watt, and even allowing a couple of hits to Brooks Reed.

Signature Stat: The Colts line were beat for 10 quarterback disruptions, with half of them the fault of Cherilus.

Houston Texans – Performances of Note

J.J. Watt, DE: +8.2

Breakdown: Initially it appeared the Colts were going to take him out of the game, devoting more blockers to Watt than he could handle. But whether they got overconfident or felt they needed to slow down Whitney Mercilus, Watt saw more one on one match ups as the game went on. The result was inevitable. Two more sacks, two more hits, two more hurries and two more batted passes. Throw in four defensive stops in the run game (including a tackle for a loss) and you’ve got what has become the standard Watt display.

Signature Play: With 12.15 to go in Q3 he breezes past Cherilus before sacking Andrew Luck.

Xavier Su’a-Filo, RG: -5.4

Breakdown: Welcome to the big leagues. A first start in place of Brandon Brooks and a first taste of how difficult life in the NFL is. The second rounder was exposed in pass protection on multiple occasions as the Colts linemen found success against him. In fairness he looked to settle down somewhat in the second half but the game looked a little quick for him.

Signature Play: It was early on (Q1, 6.22) that he allowed Cory Redding to beat him inside, with the pressure forcing him into a sack courtesy of Erik Walden.  

Whitney Mercilus, OLB: +6.2

Breakdown: As good as he has ever looked. Mercilus showed off some explosion as he makes a bid for playing time before Jadeveon Clowney returns. It wasn’t just that he was getting pressure (something he has long struggled to do) but he really made life hard for the talented Anthony Castonzo, routinely turning the corner on him.

Signature Stat: Earned a higher mark for his work in the run game (+3.5) than his pass rushing, leading the team with five defensive stops against the run including three for a loss.

PFF Game Ball

There were a lot of strong performances here, some that I haven’t given the attention they deserved (apologies to Luck and Arian Foster chiefly). But T.Y. Hilton made the plays that won the game and for that he gets the nod.

 

  • Spiked

    This shows the whole flaw in “JJ Watt is the best player in the NFL.” He’s amazing at his position, sure, but he can’t lead his team to victory. He can’t turn a crappy team around. And there are several other defensive linemen that are arguably as good or better (Quinn, McCoy). Peyton Manning is clearly the best player in the NFL, because he is the best leader, he is a smart player, and he can lead his team to victory

    • Dohkay

      Impressive trolling here.

      • Barron Buc

        I don’t see how he was trolling, lol. I agreed with a lot of what he said

        • Richard Light

          Except for that fact that Quinn is having a bad year, so it’s nowhere even close to debatable that Quinn is better than Watt.

          Raw stats like sacks (0) and tackles (9) say Quinn is having a bad year, and PFF grades say he’s only been average this year (26th best at his position), while Watt has been elite (#1 at his position by a huge margin).

          Whether you favor traditional stats or PFF stats, there’s simply no case to be made that Quinn is better than Watt. Quinn has had one season in his career that’s been on the same plane as Watt, but otherwise he’s fallen short every year (including this year). This is despite the fact that Quinn has had DE Chris Long on the opposite side of the DL for most of his career to help stop teams from over-committing to stop him. The only year Quinn has been asked to produce as the primary pass rusher without Long on the other side is this year due to Long’s injury (and notice how Quinn’s effectiveness plummeted as soon as Long wasn’t there to prevent teams from consistently double-teaming him?).

      • Spiked

        I’m sorry you live such a sorrowful life that you have made 428 posts on a forum worshipping JJ Watt. Get out of your mom’s basement once in a while and take a shower.

        • Dohkay

          Trolling INTENSIFIES!

          • Spiked

            You’re getting smellier with every post.

          • Dohkay

            You set the bar so high and then you come back with that? You can do better!

      • rogue

        Agreed. He’s the JJ Watt of trolls.

        • Spiked

          So I’m an overrated troll? LOL

          • Josh Knepshield

            No, you’re an overrated commenter.

    • Seattle Steve

      yuck

      • Richard Light

        Never understood fans who come to PFF to post comments and completely ignore PFF grades.

        I have a fair number of good friends who think PFF is BS, and that’s fine. They ignore this site and PFF’s grades, and they form their own opinion based on other stats sites. However, to be a regular reader and commenter on PFF and ignore their grading system is more than a little odd.

        Watt is the best defensive player in the NFL right now, and it’s not particularly close. Heck, even if you don’t completely accept PFF grades, Watt’s raw stats are way better than Quinn’s and a bit better than McCoy’s, but if you respect PFF grades AT ALL, then you would know how big the gap is between Watt and his contemporary defensive players (and I’m not even a Texans fan).

        • Spiked

          Because PFF is full of bias. I come here because I respect many of their grades, but the Watt love-fest is ridiculous. He’s great, but he’s incredibly overrated. He’s not “head and shoulders” above his peers. You could argue he’s not the best D-lineman

          • Chris

            If you argued that you’d be wrong.

          • Spiked

            No you wouldn’t. Not everyone worships PFF, believe it or not

          • Ben Peterson

            What would you argue with? PFF grades are kind of BS at times, but their signature stats are awesome. Watt is leading in passes defensed, gets plenty of hurries, is in the backfield constantly, freaking has more TDs than LeSean McCoy, rushes from the inside and outside, defends the run and pass, what else do you want from a defensive lineman.

          • Spiked

            Like I’ve said, he’s great, but he’s not the best player in the NFL. Several D-linemen are just as disruptive.

          • Ben Peterson

            Give examples and stats. I can give you stats on JJ Watt. You can see some of them here, you have given no evidence the entire time you’ve been here.

          • Spiked

            Alright: Teams with JJ Watt on them are 5-17 since 2013. They allowed 428 points last year, and have allowed 83 points to decent offenses this year (Colts, Giants, Cowboys).

          • Ben Peterson

            But how are other defensive linemen more disruptive? Gerald McCoy’s teams have similar records, Robert Quinn still doesn’t have a sack in this season, and who else is there? Give me personal stats, for individuals, not for teams. I guess Megatron isn’t that good a receiver, and neither is Josh Gordon, or Andre Johnson, and I guess Lavonte David isn’t a good linebacker, Drew Brees isn’t a good QB, and I will reiterate, VALUE and QUALITY are two different things.

          • Spiked

            McCoy’s defenses are much better than Watt’s when McCoy is playing. The only game he didn’t play in this year, his team gave up 56 points. Sure, they give up a decent amount of points, but they force more turnovers, and have better run defenses. And besides, McCoy’s offenses have been awful. Quinn is just as disruptive, with 19.5 sacks last year, one less than Watt in 2012 (20.5). Megatron has been able to help get his team to the playoffs, and Josh Gordon is good, but overrated. David is a great linebacker, but he, and Andre is a great WR. BUT THEY’RE NOT QB’s. None of them are valuable enough to propel their teams to the playoffs without any help

          • Josh Knepshield

            Retarded logic…FOR THE LOSS.

          • Spiked

            Do you have a day off from Kindergarten today? Or are you skipping? I wouldn’t recommend that, judging from your posts.

          • Josh Knepshield

            Person trying to deny facts in favor of bias is calling ME a kindergartner? Lol. Nice one.

          • Spiked

            I was the one giving facts. Move along, kid…

          • Josh Knepshield

            What facts have you given? You claim J.J. Watt isn’t the best because his defenses suck, then you claim McCoy is better, when his defenses are even worse? You are a clown. How do you even live in your world of ignorance? Are you lonely?

          • Spiked

            McCoy’s defense’s aren’t worse. They’re better, and if you had any brain cells, you would know that (are you still sour that your team lost to the lowly Bucs?). And I’m not lonely, I enjoy talking to other people and having intelligent conversations. You must be the lonely one, judging by your 910 posts with your Internet account. LOL

          • Josh Knepshield

            See, you use no facts whatsoever. You click on my name, and investigate into my posts, then say I’m the lonely one? LOL. #RetardLogic

          • Spiked

            You keep using that word… I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

          • Josh Knepshield

            Keep trying to defend something that is demonstrably false. It seems to get you far in life. #RetardLogic

          • Spiked

            At least I don’t spend my life on a forum 24/7 with over 910 posts. But I’ll give you a pass. You opened up a dictionary for once.

          • Josh Knepshield

            You basically just admitted that you’re wrong. The guy researching me is calling me lonely. How ironic. LOL #RetardLogic

          • Spiked

            How am I wrong? LOL #RetardLogic

          • Josh Knepshield

            J.J. Watt is the single most destructive player in the NFL today. PFF did not create Watt, Watt being the best player in the NFL created Watt. #RetardLogic

          • Spiked

            Nice facts, mister #Shutyourface

          • Josh Knepshield

            Give some facts that there is a D-Lineman in the NFL that is better than Watt. Just give some facts. Do it. If you can’t, then shut the f*ck up.

          • Ben Peterson

            VALUE IS NOT A DESCRIPTOR OF QUALITY. Why is that so difficult for you to get?

            First off, you say that McCoy’s defenses are better, but they give up way more yards (especially in the passing game) than Watt’s, and Watt didn’t exactly have help from HIS offense when they threw pick-6’s in 6 straight games, and turned the ball over 31 times. Second, Robert Quinn WAS great last year, but you just proved that he was LESS disruptive NOW than Watt is, you know, by not giving any stats for this year, and reminding us that Quinn wasn’t as good in his best year as Watt was in his. Third, Megatron did help his team get to the playoffs, but so did Watt.

            I would like to clarify (again) that I AM NOT ARGUING VALUE, I HAVE REPEATEDLY SAID THIS, but is Andy Dalton better than JJ Watt just because he’s more valuable? Is Joe Flacco? How about Matt Ryan? Cam Newton? Maybe Colin Kaepernick? Those player are all QBs, and are more influential than JJ Watt in terms of what they mean for their teams, but you’d have a hard time convincing anyone that they’re better players than JJ Watt.

          • chickenhed

            I’m going to keep replying to your posts because I agree with them. So. Correct again.

          • bobrulz

            A quarterback can’t propel his team to the playoffs without help either.

          • Gerald

            I agree, the grades are subjective so they can be arguable, but the signature stats they provide are great, numbers are objective and you can form your own conclusions. There isnt even a need to come to this site to know that Watt is the most dominant defensive player in the league, its plain to see by just watching the game. For example, 4th quarter last night when the Colts had the ball and tried to run the clock out, Watt had a tackle for loss on Bradshaw on 2nd down then the batted pass on 3rd and short to get his offense the ball back with a chance to win. That’s back to back splash plays in clutch time. And not to mention his 2 sacks, couple pressures, TD return and multiple other batted passes from earlier. And this isnt just one fluke great game, he has these types of games often.

    • Jacob B.

      I like how he completely disregarded all of the in depth analysis that this site is famous for.

      • Richard Light

        Yep. The whole, “Peyton Manning is the best player in the NFL because he can lead his team to victory even against a more talented opponent” arguments kind of falls apart if you watched at least half of the Super Bowl 8 months ago.

        But yeah, if you didn’t watch the Super Bowl and got most of your news from ESPN (not in depth sites like PFF), the “Peyton Manning can lead his team to victory against any opponent” argument is laughable. Just like Watt, Manning is at the mercy of his teammates playing well, as evidenced by Manning’s ONE Super Bowl ring in his 15 year career.

        • Spiked

          Maybe, but Manning can actually make an offense competent. Watt’s defense is terrible.

          • Ben Peterson

            Why? Because they gave up 33 points? That’s barely more than the Colts average per game. Last year the Seahawks gave up 34 points to the Colts (albeit 7 of those came on a blocked field goal), does that mean that Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, Richard Sherman, Michael Bennett, Bobby Wagner, and Cliff Avril aren’t great players?

          • Spiked

            That was one game, the Texans are consistently terrible on defense

          • Josh Knepshield

            So are the Bucs and Rams, so your logic sucks.

          • Spiked

            A. The Bucs and Rams have much better defenses than the Texans.
            B. You’re a Steelers fan who’s defense is terrible and lost to the Bucs (lol). STFU

          • Josh Knepshield

            How do you figure that? Lol. You call PFF biased, and then you say stuff like that. You’re a clown, and who cares? The Steelers D is terrible, and we did lose to the Bucs. You’re point? #RetardLogic

          • Spiked

            My point is you should shut up, because you have the vocabulary of a Kindergartner.

          • Josh Knepshield

            What is wrong with my grammar? Why in the world would you say that anyway? Random comment made by a guy losing an argument. Keep going kid.

          • Spiked

            Lol, do you know what an argument even is? I’m starting to wonder if you’re even old enough for Kindergarten.

          • Josh Knepshield

            Yeah, you’re right. Both sides have valid arguments in an argument. This is just facts picking your fantasy world.

          • Spiked

            Thank you, you finally see that I’m the only one who has a valid argument. Now say something intelligent for once, or shut it.

          • Josh Knepshield

            Read my post again. You basically just agreed with me. #RetardLogic

          • Spiked

            This isn’t twitter, dumbass. You can stop with the stupid hashtags.

          • Josh Knepshield

            Sorry, I can’t hear you over all these facts. Keep trying to throw your opinions. #RetardLogic

          • Ben Peterson

            Shut up. You’re not making points, you’re trolling worse than he is, and you’re technically on my side. You’re not helping.

          • Josh Knepshield

            Really? It seems your points are really changing his mind. Sometimes you can’t fight retards with logic. So, all in all, shut up.

          • Spiked

            Your obsession with that word makes me wonder what type of mental problems you have. I’m sorry your life is so miserable.

          • Josh Knepshield

            I have CuretheRetardsitis. It forces me to try to enlighten retards such as yourself. #RetardLogic

          • Spiked

            I cringe trying to read all your posts. Luckily, it’s hard, as none of them make sense.

          • Josh Knepshield

            There is nothing wrong with my grammar. Keep trying to deflect the issue to something else. #RetardLogic

          • jody

            Listen – the only reason the game was close was because of Watt. He changed the entire complexion of the game. His QB doesn’t even have the chance to make the game close if not for him. So Watt, on his own team – was more valuable than his QB. Peyton Manning is playing with arguably the best collection of offensive skill players in the league, but are the Broncos really looking all that impressive on offense? Not really. The real MVP of the Broncos this season, so far, is the defense. The Texans go as Watt goes, so he is AS valuable to HIS team as any other QB is to THEIR team.

        • mutzki

          PFF is in depth information no doubt, but the rating system has its flaws. How can you even think about rating players when you have no clue what the player’s assignment is on every snap? I use the stats to confirm my impressions, but to think about ranking and rating players hasn’t crossed my mind.

          • Hannah Hayes

            There are always times where the occasional blooper, but for the most part you can tell what the play is through video. Even then, you can still grade players on how they did what they did.

        • bobrulz

          “Just like Watt, and every other player in the history of the league, Manning is at the mercy of his teammates playing well”

    • anarkissed

      Watt does his job better than anybody else in the NFL does their job. He can’t control the players and coaches that surround him. And you are delusional if you think Quinn or McCoy are even close to being at his level.

      • Spiked

        You’re right- Quinn and McCoy are 20x better than Watt. But keep worshipping this website and don’t think for yourself. I think it’s cute.

        • Ben Peterson

          Ok. NOW you’re trolling.
          There is a difference between best and most valuable. It’s why quarterbacks are so highly paid even if they’re not that good. Defensive linemen can’t turn a team around, and if your secondary forgets to cover a receiver, that makes things tough too. What you can do as a defensive lineman is make things happen on defense. There is no player on defense that makes things happen more than JJ Watt. I saw him last night making more plays than anyone else on either defense.
          I know this is going to fall on deaf ears because you’re unreasonable and also a troll. But even morons deserve an education.

          • Spiked

            Best= MVP. Most Valuable Player. Sorry, your logic makes you sound like a moron

          • Ben Peterson

            Value and quality are two different things. That’s what you don’t seem to understand.

            A quarterback is in a position to make an entire team much better simply by the nature of his job. He can make decent receivers good, good receivers great, or great receivers unbelievable. He can get yards and TDs on the ground and through the air. While Quarterbacks do depend somewhat on their offensive line, running backs, and wide receivers, they can do a lot of things on their own, just look at what Russell Wilson did last Monday.

            A defensive end can be better at playing defensive end than a quarterback is at playing quarterback. THAT is what I’m trying to tell you. JJ Watt is a better at playing defensive end than any other player is at playing their position. No, he’s not more valuable than Philip Rivers (who is playing like the best QB in the league), but Watt is better at playing his position than Rivers is.

          • Spiked

            How would you even know that? Quarterback and Defensive End are such different positions, you can’t even compare them. The fact is that the most valuable position is Quarterback, therefore, the best player in the NFL is a QB. Yet PFF’s weird grading scale gives Defensive Linemen ridiculous grades that make them seem more valuable than they are

          • Ben Peterson

            I’m not arguing value. I acknowledge that JJ watt isn’t as valuable as a quarterback, I’m arguing quality. JJ watt does pretty much everything you could ask a defensive player to do (sacks, hurries, stops, turnovers, touchdowns, blocked passes etc.), while maybe Aaron Rogers can do everything from the QB position, but he doesn’t do them all consistently.

            This is where we get into opinion. It is my opinion right now that JJ Watt is the best player in the NFL because he is better at doing his job than anyone else is at doing theirs. What he is not, is the most valuable player. I’d say that falls to Philip Rivers at the moment, he’s taking the Chargers from a decent team, to maybe the best in the league.

          • Spiked

            That’s fair. I’m okay with your opinion, even if it differs from me.

          • Hannah Hayes

            PFF has stated ad nauseam that their grades are not to be used to compare value between differing positions. Saying their grading scales make defensive linemen seem more valuable is born from ignorance of what PFF does.

          • chickenhed

            Correct again. I like Ben.

          • Josh Knepshield

            I like chicken

          • chickenhed

            Correct.

        • anarkissed

          LOL

        • Hannah Hayes

          “Quinn and McCoy are 20x better than Watt.”

          This is far beyond trolling. You are on some other level the likes the internet has yet to define.

      • Richard Light

        Yep. Quinn is doing much worse than Watt based on PFF grades.
        Quinn is doing much worse than Watt based on raw stats like sacks, tackles, and PDef.

        There
        are absolutely no statistics to back up the claim that Quinn is
        having a good season. Most Rams fans would tell you that Quinn is
        having a disappointing season.

        So for him to argue that Quinn is having a good season shows a complete lack of understanding of how the 2014 season is playing out. He must have not watched a single Rams game this year and must not have looked up Quinn’s stats at either NFL.com or PFF before making his comments. His comments only make sense if he’s basing his opinion purely on Quinn’s 2013 season and is ignoring what has happened so far this season.

        I’d recommend against responding to idiots who don’t look up facts to back up their arguments.

    • UTRouix

      You’re confusing “best” with most “valuable”. He’s clearly the bed player, but I agree that he will never hold the value of a great QB.

      • UTRouix

        Best. Not bed. Obviously.

        • Spiked

          No he’s not. His defense is just as bad as the offense. If he was so good, would his team have allowed 33 points?

          • anarkissed

            This statement proves that you know nothing about football.

          • Spiked

            LOL, I know a lot more about football than you. But keep talking out of your ass. I think it’s funny.

          • Hannah Hayes

            Over your head again.

        • bobrulz

          Well, JJ Watt probably does bench beds in his spare time.

    • mutzki

      Not in the postseason. Manning is at his worst when the stage is the biggest.

      • Spiked

        Watt hasn’t faired any better. The postseason depends on who’s team is best, not on a single player. Brady can attest to that

        • mutzki

          I’m not jumping on the Watt bandwagon either because i haven’t seen him make THAT impressive play just yet and i don’t know why he always grades out so well in the green, i’m just saying that i don’t like Manning either because there are tons of better QBs in the league than him when it comes to postseason play.

          • Spiked

            I can respect that

    • dubinsky

      a defensive player who not only overwhelms his opponent but who also scores touchdowns while on defense is awfully dam valuable, Spiked…….

      obviously, it’s far easier for a player to seem to amass value on offense, but you should relax a little

    • Weiner

      Do you even watch football bruh

      • Spiked

        Nice name, bruh.

  • mutzki

    Don’t understand this love affair with Watt. He is playing at a high level that’s for sure, but when i see him play i see nothing in his game that makes my jaw drop. His interception against the Bills and pass deflection yesterday were simple football plays, getting his arms up as he sees the QB load up to throw the ball. The fumble recovery wasn’t about him making a great play, it was about a miscommunication between QB and center and the ball bounced his way right away.

    • Spiked

      I agree with you, man.

    • Joe

      While each play on its own doesn’t seem to be superhuman, I think the point is that no one else has made anywhere close to as many of those important plays.

      • Spiked

        How can he have so many important plays if his team loses most of the time, though?

      • mutzki

        That might be it. I just need one play where i’m like “that was amazing” and i haven’t seen that yet. As soon as i see that one play, he is going to move up a tier in my book.

    • [email protected]

      Watt is the perfect player to draw praise from PFF. He makes a lot of plays and none of them are so great that they make the graders feel insecure. PFF loves guys who make plays that they could imagine themselves making. When you start making plays that they couldn’t imagine themselves ever making, thats when its time for the red pen.

  • rogue

    One thing I’ve noticed from the premium stats, sans Watt, the Texans would fall from top 10 in pass rushing to the bottom five.

    As for Peyton Manning, his parents should adopt Marlon McCree as their son. If not for his boneheaded decision to intercept a Tom Brady desperation pass rather than simply bat it down for an incomplete, history would have changed.

    1.) the Colts would have had to play in SD where they never win
    2.) the Chargers would have won their 1st SB and 1st title for the city of San Diego
    3.) Marty Schottenheimer would be inducted into Canton
    4.) your precious little Peyton would be joining Dan Marino for tea

    Ah football.

    • Spiked

      Too bad that never happened, and Peyton has a ring.
      Ah football.

      • Ben Peterson

        He does have a ring. Didn’t play well in that game, but he’s got a ring. That’s what happens when Rex Grossman is the opposing QB in the super bowl.

  • mutzki

    Some food for thought. Went back and compared grades between Watt’s performance last night and Clay Matthews’ performance in Week 2 of 2012 against the Bears (simply because i can remember Matthews whipping the Bears O-Line).

    Stats:
    Watt: 50 pass rushes , 2 sacks, 2 hits, 2 hurries, 2 BP’s culminating in a +5.4 grade!
    Matthews: 32 pass rushes, 4 sacks, 0 hits, 2 hurries, 1 BP culminating in a + 3.8 grade!
    So Matthews in significantly less pass rushes got more sacks but for some reason his grade is worse than that of Watt last night. Where is that huge grading gap stemming from?

    • Spiked

      Their excuse will be “run defense.” I guarantee it.

    • bobrulz

      First off, yes, run defense.
      Secondly, were any of those sacks unblocked? Could any of them have been the fault of the QB for holding onto the ball too long?

      This is what PFF looks at that doesn’t show up in any traditional statistics.

      • mutzki

        Should’ve clarified that i was just looking at pass rush grades, so as posted above are the pass rush grades. Looking at highlights from that Bears game it never seemed like the QB was holding onto the ball for too long and Matthews definitely never was unblocked. What else could it be?

        • Ben Peterson

          Actually, the fact that Matthews had fewer pass rushing snaps is likely the reason that his grade was lower. You have to remember that volume matters in this grading system, if you want a higher grade in a certain area, you have to do that thing more. Which is why QBs in running systems typically have lower passing grades, even if they pass just as well or better than QBs in passing systems.

          On those extra 18 pass rushes Watt likely took care of two or three blockers, held his ground, and let other guys make a play, maybe he beat his guy, but it was thrown to early (like, 1.5 seconds) for any defensive lineman to make a play on it.

          So you’re argument for Matthews (ie, that he had fewer pass rushes with more production) is actually the strongest argument against Matthews from the perspective of his particular metric. It’ll do him very well in Pass Rush Productivity, but not in the grading sense.

          • mutzki

            Makes sense that way. Thanks for the answer! Much appreciated

  • Barron Buc

    Well… this escalated quickly. Lol

  • dubinsky

    seemed to me, from viewing the game on tv, that the Texans would do well to a find a strong safety who actually manages to tackle someone running with the ball.

  • Ajit

    @Spiked – you are so all over the place with your logic. The rest of the responses did a good job making the arguments, but here’s a few things you are missing: First, even you acknowledge that attributing the success and failure of the offense or defense to one player is terrible logic. JJ watt cannot force players to cover receivers. The fact that qbs still complete passes under pressure means that JJ WATT will not on his own make a defense good. Furthermore, there isn’t a defensive player in the history of the league who could do it on his own. And other than your opinion, there are no individual stats that support anyone other than Watt being the best defensive player by a mile.

    Finally – yes, PM and other qbs are more valuable – but that gets us nowhere. Even middle tier qbs like andy dalton are arguably more valuable to Watt. Just because that’s true doesn’t mean we should just cease all praise for non-qb positions. The mvp really is a reward for an outstanding season and we really should recognize other positions, rather than to just pretend like its all the qb all time.

  • Spiked

    What I’ve learned from these comments: A 3-4 defensive end doesn’t do shit and has no impact on the game, but JJ Watt is the best at that by a mile. Mmkay, got it. Oh and for the record: JJ Watt’s defenses have given up more points each successive year since he’s been in the league. That doesn’t scream greatest player in the NFL, does it?

  • blue83

    I used to really like PFF but lately it seems like some of the grades don’t make sense. The Texans were given positive overall grades on both offense and defense while the Colts were in the negative in both. The Texans were roughly graded +10 overall offense and defense and the Colts were -2.5.

    Based on those grades the Texans win fairly easily right? Yeah… not really.

    • Mike Renner

      We don’t suggest looking at overall grades for teams because they are highly skewed by linemen who get the most grades per play. We sum up players grades into a column so that you don’t have to do it on your own, but we always look at grades in their individual components(run, pass, etc.). The Colts had a +3.7 coverage grade while the Texans had a -7.2 coverage grade(very, very bad). This would suggest a big win for Colts, but the large difference in line play kept game close.

    • [email protected]

      You can win a lot of football games with guys who rate poorly on PFF.

  • Jonathan Bennett

    Watt just had the equivalent of Urlacher’s big game against Arizona a long time ago. Unfortunately, the Texans didn’t have anything like Hester’s magical runback this time around. I was actually kind of rooting for them too, and it was exciting to see Watt put them right back in the game after a missed FG and another blown coverage by the secondary appeared to essentially end it.

    On the other end, it is surprising to see the Colts defense holding the fort over the past couple weeks. 9 sacks, 5 forced turnovers and only 2 successful 3rd down conversions over the course of the past two weeks, against quality opponents to boot. They’re still rather porous against the run at times, but the players are definitely stepping up after the loss of Mathis.

    • [email protected]

      Helps to play bad offenses.

      • Chris

        Are Denver and Philly bad offenses?

        The Colts lead the league in performance against WRs. Theyre still susceptible to the run but their secondary has been playing very well.

        • [email protected]

          And what happened after week 2? They played Blake Bortles in his first NFL start. Charlie Whitehurst, Joe Flacco and Ryan Fitzpatrick. That will inflate any defenses stats.

          Not getting torn up by Charlie Whitehurst doesn’t make you a great defense.