ReFo: Bears @ Jets, Week 3

Monday Night Football saw the Bears win their second game on the bounce as the Jets faltered on the national stage. Ben Stockwell breaks it down.

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ReFo: Bears @ Jets, Week 3

2014-REFO-WK03-CHI@NYJRiding the momentum of their comeback victory in San Francisco last Sunday into this game the Chicago Bears quickly raced into two touchdown lead against the New York Jets. Try as they might the Geno Smith led Gang Green would fall short in their own comeback attempt as a combination of red zone woes and determined defense from Chicago saw them come up short.

The Bears’ newest additions came up with key plays when they were needed and a Jekyll and Hyde performance by Geno Smith helped ensure that whatever ground they gave up to the Jets was never enough for that decisive play to swing the game.

Chicago Bears – Performances of Note

Lamarr Houston, DE: +1.8

Breakdown: Still waiting for his first sack as a Chicago Bear, Houston notched five pressures (with a sixth nullified by a penalty) last night and added a batted pass in a disruptive display as a pass rusher. Houston played a season-high 17 snaps at defensive tackle last night with two of his pressures coming from an interior alignment.

Signature Stat: Houston recorded his first stop of the season last night, by this point last season he had 11.

Kyle Fuller, CB: +5.0

Breakdown: Fuller backed up his successful fill-in for Charles Tillman last week with a strong first start last night against the Jets, with the only real blot on his copybook the missed tackle that sprung Greg Salas’ 51-yard gain late in the game. Around that, Fuller forced two fumbles and feasted on some of Geno Smith’s worst throws, breaking on late and forced passes to his side of the field collecting a pass defense and an interception.

Signature Play: It would seem that Tillman has been teaching Fuller the “Peanut Punch” with Fuller’s two forced fumbles boosting his grade and his second forced fumble at 11.23 in Q3 was particularly Tillman-esque.

Jared Allen, DE: +3.1

Breakdown: Like Houston, Allen has been quiet on the stat sheet since he arrived in Chicago but hasn’t matched that with strong work that base stats don’t record. He’s still yet to pick up that first sack for the Bears but he was active as both a pass rusher (three hits and three hurries) and run defender (four stops) en route to his highest game grade since Week 9 of last season.

Signature Play: On the first play of the Jets’ final drive (Q4, 3.10) Allen exploited a deep Geno Smith drop to drive around Ferguson’s outside shoulder and hit Smith just after he threw what should have been an interception to Jonathan Bostic.

New York Jets – Performances of Note

Sheldon Richardson, DE: +2.5

Breakdown: The Bears made limited use of their ground attack but that didn’t keep Richardson or Muhammad Wilkerson (+3.9) out of the game on the defensive line. Richardson tied a career high with five pressures (including his first sack since Week 12 last year) and added a batted pass to record the highest single-game pass rush grade (+2.8) of his young career.

Signature Play: Richardson got that first sack in eight games driving inside of Jermon Bushrod with 4.52 left in the third, setting up outside and then fighting inside to snag Jay Cutler as he looked to climb away from Jason Babin on the other side.

Geno Smith, QB: -3.8

Breakdown: If last season was up and down for Geno Smith then last night’s game encapsulated his entire repertoire in a single game. Between the numbers on short and intermediate throws Smith was a very impressive 16/18 for 229 yards and a touchdown (+4.3 passing grade), but around that a paltry 10/21 for 87 yards and two interceptions (-5.1 passing grade) in a performance characterized by poor decision making on broken plays.

Signature Stat: Pressured on 17/47 dropbacks last night Geno went 3/14 for 17 yards with no touchdowns or interceptions, earning a passer rating of 39.6 under pressure.

Nick Mangold, C: +2.0

Breakdown: It has been some time since Nick Mangold was the consensus best center in the NFL, but after a disappointing 2013 season he has started the new season in good form. Yet to surrender a pressure this season, Mangold has earned a positive run block grade each week and sits close to the top of our center rankings after three weeks.

Signature Stat: This is Mangold’s eighth positive grade game in a row dating back to Week 13 last season, his longest streak since the 2011/2012 seasons.

PFF Game Ball

After his first two displays it would seem that the Bears are going to make a relatively smooth transition from Charles Tillman to Kyle Fuller with the rookie immediately replacing Tillman’s playmaking presence in the defense.


| Director of Analysis

Ben joined Pro Football Focus in 2007, and has since been in charge of the company’s analysis process. He also contributes to PFF’s weekly NFL podcast.

  • Dohkay

    I’m not sold on Fuller yet. He’s faced some pretty terrible passing offenses the first 3 games of his career and Manuel, Kaep, and Geno are known for staring down receivers far too long and still throwing the ball. We’ll find out just how good he is next week against the Pack.

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    • mutzki

      If the Packers can protect Rodgers and the Packers running game gets going. Otherwise it might become another long game for the Packers.

      • Jason Williams

        uhm this is a Bears recap :)

        • Chris

          Sounded to me like a 49ers fanclub.

    • ExPat_in_Krakow

      Fourteen tackles (for a CB no less) in his first action real action in the 2nd & 3rd games of his career, prime time on the road, along with two forced fumbles, don’t have anything to do with facing terrible passing offenses. Combine that with the fact that his 3 INTs came at huge points in the games and it looks like Fuller is the real deal. Hopefully he keeps it up.

      • Dohkay

        The tackling is impressive, no doubt, but again, the three INTs came against some lackluster QBs. Still have to make the plays so not taking anything away from him but he hasn’t really been tested by a premier passing offense. Like I said, next week will tell us a lot.

        • Kris Gehrke

          I wouldn’t really call Kaepernick a lackluster QB – He had a very respectable 92 QB rating last year – While only throwing 8 INT’s, so he’s usually not reckless either. Give Fuller credit for making some excellent plays on the ball.

          • Dohkay

            Sure he’s a game manager with legs. Nevertheless, he’s not a top 10 QB. My ONLY point with my post is that we’ve yet to see Fuller tested so his #1 CB ranking to this point seems inflated to me.

          • Tim_Sims

            If the criteria is this year only (and it can’t really be previous years, for a rookie) then the only thing that he can be judged on so far is his actual production. Which, so far, has been the best in the league at his position.

            I don’t expect a rookie CB to end the year as the top rated player at his position, but I also don’t expect some one with his obvious physicality and playmaking instincts to turn into a pumpkin either. He’s the odds on favorite for DROY at this point, and until he proves otherwise, has to be considered among the candidates for DPOY.

          • Izach

            Kap is lack luster he is reckless with the ball stats don’t show that but if you watch the games he either hits wide open WRs becuase hey are so good, or throws horrible covered wr expecting them to out muscle defenders on a regular basis luckily he has some of the best WRs and TE for that style of play. He makes a lot of no read passes and just waits till his primarily is looking for ball

          • Kris Gehrke

            I’m not a big fan of the guy, but his WR’s aren’t THAT good. Boldin is good, but Crabtree missed most of last year.

            From ESPN’s 2014 fantasy outlook for Kaepernick:

            “The surprise, though, was some of his passing metrics. Kaepernick is among the few quarterbacks who produce big on downfield passes (38 fantasy points on stretch vertical throws, ranked ninth) while still expertly protecting the ball (1.6 percent bad-decision rate). Were it not for a slow start — he scored single-digit points in three of his first five games — Kaepernick would have been a top-five QB last year. He certainly has that potential this year.”

            He’s not a top 10 QB, but he’s not as god awful as you’re making him out to be for some strange reason.

          • Izach

            He isn’t nearly as good as you think.
            Talent wise he has a arm, legs, size but he isn’t a QB I rank high at all.
            His decision making is suspect based on how easy his reads are within that scheme.
            His WR in boldin crabtree and Stevie Johnson with Davis at TE and their read option offense which basically acts as a play action either stares his WR down or throws a jump ball knowing his WRs are good at winning at those situations wether or not they are actually open

    • Jason Williams

      but how many DB’s see those QB’s stare down those receivers and then can’t make the play. Good on Fuller for taking free money.

      • Dohkay

        Agreed. Still have to make the plays. The point was that those types of INTs are few and far between against good QBs.

        • Jason Williams

          would love to see a PFF analysis of “quality of interceptions” – basically picks made on great throws vs picks made on terrible throws and who makes the best picks vs who is just good at collecting garbage.

          The play of the receiver probably needs to be factored in as well, a la when a WR takes off, the QB throws the hook pattern and the DB is off to the races.

          Mundy’s pick 6 was an example of a terrible throw – there’s no way the RB or TE (can’t remember) catches that ball – it’s a solid 2 feet outside his catch radius and Mundy just drove on the ball and took it to the house.

          • Dohkay

            Yeah agreed. Football Outsiders looks at the QB perspective and accounts for tipped balls and dropped INTs. Would be cool to see it from the CB perspective. Also would like to see dropped INTs for them. The DB for the Jets had a pretty bad one on the Cutler pass that was hit as he threw it. Perfect example of a CB not taking advantage of the play.

          • Jason Williams

            the first TD to Bennett was not pretty either. If the LB had any awareness at all he could have at least defended the pass.

            I’ve been a longtime Cutler supporter but am seeing him with unbiased eyes this year and it’s not always pretty.

            Bostic should have to do push ups or something after his drop – that was the ultimate soft toss whiff catch.

          • Dohkay

            I loved Cutler when he came out of Vandy. Rocket arm and cocky attitude. He hasn’t ever learned from his mistakes, though. Watch 2008 Cutler and watch 2014 Cutler. Looks exactly the same.

          • Jason Williams

            give me a pro bowl qb and the bears are a playoff team. is Jay that guy? who knows at this point.

          • Dohkay

            With 3 giants to throw to and a damn good RB to boot? Maybe…

    • Silver12345

      This comment would make a whole lot more sense if any of the three picks Fuller has so far had happened because the QB stared down his WR.

      But they didn’t … so … no.

      • Dohkay
        • Silver12345

          Re watch the play instead of just making assumptions about what’s going on out there.
          I’ve watched this play dozens of times already.

          Kaep’s eye are initially in the middle of the field. He gets flushed from the pocket quickly and shifts his view to his left. He’s now on the run and only has two available targets to his left. On the replay, you can clearly see him eye Crabtree on the sideline, but Fuller is all over him. So he moves to his wide open TE, but Fuller now has momentum back towards the middle of the field and closes the distance in time for the pick on a guy he wasn’t even covering.

          So no, this isn’t a case of staring down a WR. And furthermore …

          1. Fuller was turned around and never even saw the QB or where he was looking until the ball was nearly in the air. So even IF the QB had been staring down his WR, you can’t really credit the INT to having stared down the WR.

          2. This wasn’t even a WR, it was a backup TE. Are you really trying to tell me that you think Kaep was “staring down” his third string TE? Staring down Boldin, sure … Cutler staring down Marshall, yeah, that happens. But staring down a guy who has all of 2 career receptions at that point? Come on.

          You can’t get flushed from the pocket, throw to the wide open guy, who happens to probably be the worst receiving threat on the field, against a guy who never even saw you looking that way until the last second, and get to credit the INT to “staring down” the receiver.

          • Dohkay

            What a breakdown. An incorrect one, but my, what a breakdown. Kaep looks left for a full 4 seconds and both receivers are within 5-10 yards of each other on the sideline. Does it matter which one he looks at when Fuller is in perfect position for both? How can you tell which one Kaep is staring down? Do you have a massive screen that you can clearly see his eyes angled a few degrees more to the left?

            1. Fuller was not turned around when the ball was thrown. If he was it would take either superhuman reaction speed or blind luck that he was already running away from the sideline to catch the ball. Kaep has a damn good arm and the ball takes all of a second to get to the TE so take your pick. Was he smartly watching Kaep’s eyes (this is still a positive for Fuller, especially being a rookie with that awareness) or was it blind luck. My guess is you’ll take the former given you’re a Bears fan.

            2. Does it matter? Kaep thought he had an open man. My guess is if you were wide open (at least in Kaep’s mind) he’d still throw it you even though you’re an oaf compared to Boldin or Crabtree. Also, let’s leave poor Cutler out of this. For once he’s not guilty of locking in on a guy.

            Neither player was wide open on that play as evidenced by the two Bears LBs underneath, Fuller in between, and safety help over the top. Again, it makes no difference what receiving threat he is throwing to. If he thinks he’s open he’ll throw it. JJ Watt caught a TD pass despite, you know, not being even the 3rd string TE on his team. He was open of course so I guess it doesn’t matter, right?

            I’m not taking anything away from Fuller here. He showed great awareness in reading the QB and being in perfect position. The ENTIRE point of my original post was that he has yet to be tested by a good NFL QB so I find his ranking as the top CB through three weeks a bit misleading. Kaep was ranked 19th in passing last season, Geno was 41st, and Manuel was ranked 40th. Still gotta make the plays, but I’m withholding judgement until he faces Rodgers, Ryan, Stafford, etc.

          • Silver12345

            All that write up for so much stupidity.
            You’re gonna hold this moronic thought all the way through, despite the clear evidence that you have no idea what you’re talking about eh?

            This one sentence says everything anyone needs to know about your post …
            “How can you tell which one Kaep is staring down?”


            1. I never said Fuller was turned around WHEN the ball was thrown, he was turned around before that … which kept him from watching where Kaep was looking. Thus negating the possibility that the QB “staring down” anyone was the reason behind the INT.

            2. Does it matter that the QB threw to an open man? Uh, yeah. That completely goes against the thought process behind suggesting that an INT happened due to the receiver being “stared down”. You’re supposed to be looking for the open guy. And once you find him, you throw the ball, which is what he did.

            3. The TE WAS wide open. He was a good 8-10 yards behind both LBs. And if you’d bothered to watch the play from the multiple different angles that I have, you’d clearly see that. But instead, you’d prefer to use the one angle you have and refuse to accept that you have no clue what you’re talking about. Enjoy living in ignorance.

            And MY entire point … one which you’ve so thoroughly proven to be accurate … is that you have no clue what the term “staring down” a receiver even means. And to suggest that it was the primary reason for even one of the Interceptions Fuller has gotten so far this year, is a completely crock of BS.

            But you keep digging in your heels and thinking you’ve figured it all out. And the rest of us will continue to actually pay attention to what’s really happening on the field and enjoy the game.

          • Dohkay

            Is this the Zapruder film? Can you show me the mutliple angles which so clearly show these things that a mere mortal such as myself fails to see? The TE was not open, he was bracketed by Fuller and the safety over the top. The LBs were underneath the WR which allowed Fuller to play over the top of him.

            Kaepernick’s eyes are on his receiver a full 4 seconds. I can count, surprisingly. 4 seconds is an ETERNITY in an NFL play. He never once looks off his target and throws a ball into bracketed coverage. Fuller was turned around when the ball was thrown and it’s an easy INT at that point. I have already given him credit for being turned around (most rookies don’t do that) but the fact is that Rodgers/Brees/Manning/Ryan etc. don’t stare down a target for 4 seconds and then throw to him unless there is nobody with 10 yards of him and even then the ball would have been out before that.

            It never ceases to amaze me how completely biased fans are of players on their team. I’ll look for you on next week’s article and as I said before, if he plays this well against Rodgers I’ll be a believer. If not, you might not want to read the comments…

          • Silver12345

            And it never ceases to amaze me how ignorant and idiotic some fans can be when they run their mouths about things they clearly don’t understand … in this case, the very definition of “staring down” a receiver, … and then when they are proven wrong, continue to argue the point by bringing up irrelevant and nonsensical points to argue.

            Can I show you the multiple angles? Hell no, go pay for it yourself. Then you can stop claiming something that wasn’t true. The TE WAS blatantly open, and anyone with eyes can see that.

            Get your story straight …

            “He never once looks off his target”
            “Does it matter which one he looks at…”
            “How can you tell which one Kaep is staring down?”

            Which one is it? He never looked away from his target, or you can’t tell which one, or it doesn’t matter?

            Nice backtracking when you realize you have no clue what you’re talking about.

          • Dohkay

            His head never moves. He is looking at one target the entire time. He throws to that target despite looking at him for 4 seconds. Unless you can zoom to eye level and show me otherwise it’s very clear he is looking at one player and either way they’re both not open.

            He has yet to be tested by a good QB. We’ll see how he holds up against Rodgers and Ryan in a few weeks. If you want to claim he’s truly an elite talent after 3 games against mediocre offenses then more power to you.

        • Chris

          I can’t believe you are using this view to justify your point. You can’t even see Fuller for 98% of the play, and yet you claim to know what’s going on? LOL

          • Dohkay

            Fuller breaking on that ball is only possible if a) he is looking at Kaep or b) he is very lucky and happens to already be moving in that direction without seeing Kaep. There is no other explanation for him reacting that quickly.

          • Chris

            If you watched an angle that let’s you see Fuller, you’d see him play his cover 3 zone very well. He checks up on Crabtrees comeback, and then gets deeper when he realizes the underneath defender has it covered. This allowed him to be in position to make a jump on the throw to carrier, which he was able to make because he had his eyes on Kaep the whole time.

            Great team defense in the cover 3 and a smart play by Fuller. Kaep didn’t stare down anyone but Fuller, who was the read on the play.

          • Dohkay

            That’s… exactly my point? Kaep waited too long to deliver the ball allowing the underneath LB to cover Crabtree and allowing Fuller to drift back from the sideline. All the while he had his eyes on Kaep (which I’ve maintained from the start and said was a heads up play by him) and if Kaep truly is looking at Fuller I’m not sure why he throws that ball since Fuller was watching him the whole time as well.

            See how that doesn’t really add up? Why would Kaep throw that ball if he’s watching the Fuller the whole way who is in perfect position to react?

          • Chris

            Again, he’s not a robot and it takes him time to make decisions.

            As he rolls out Kaep is Watching Fuller. Fuller appears to check down on Crabtree, who was the primary read. This causes Kaep to look for Carrier, who looks open so he throws it.

            However by this point his gaze has left Fuller, who is still watching Kaep and he is in position to make a play.

            Kaep watched Fuller long enough to get his read and go to Carrier. Carrier was not the primary, and it takes time to make a read and go through progression. That’s the part you aren’t understanding.

          • Silver12345

            If only that were the ONLY part he wasn’t understanding. Unfortunately, there seems to be several areas of difficulty going on here.

            Interesting break down you did. I agree with a good part of it. Though there are a few minor things I would disagree with.

            However, the end result is the same. Kaep clearly did not “stare down” Carrier.

          • Chris

            I agree. His primary option was Crabtree on the comeback. When Fuller checked up on it and the LB was sitting deep underneath, he looked to Carrier, who seemed open, so he threw it.

            He did what any QB is supposed to do. Make a read, go through his progression, and get the ball out to the open guy. Fuller just made a great play by knowing the situation, reading the play, and being aware of what was going on around him.

          • Tim_Sims

            Interceptions don’t happen in post Bill Walsh passing offenses unless some one (usually the QB or a receiver) makes a mistake, or it gets tipped at the line. So pointing out that Kap made a mistake is beside the point. Lots of QBs make mistakes. Not every DB is able to capitalize on those mistakes at a high rate. Not every DB even has the proper technique to be in that position.

            It’s fine to be skeptical of the kid. I hope no one is fitting him for his Hall of Fame blazer just yet, since three games do not make a career. But he HAS been exceptional so far. The kind of play you’re apparently expecting, where he somehow creates an INT on a perfectly executed play with a well thrown ball by a QB making the correct read on a well run route concept just doesn’t happen in the NFL, or at least, it happens very, very rarely. Almost all INTs are a result of a mistake by the offense combined with good technique or just being in the right place at the right time by the defender. If it happens once it’s a fluke. If it happens three times in two games, it’s a pattern. If that pattern holds, then it’s a trait.

    • Izach

      I’d also hold off on calling the pack an good passing offense just yet Arod hasn’t looked good yet, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt but something is really off with him

    • Bathazar Xavier

      what’s not to be “sold” on? the kid is fundamentally sound in coverage and tackling, and he’s a play-maker and ball-hawk. he’s also just a rookie who is going to get better with experience. funny, you’re the only one who isn’t “sold” on someone who is getting high marks from people who play the game.

      • Dohkay

        Sorry. I need more than 3 games to buy into a player. Call me crazy I guess.

        • Kris Gehrke

          Well he is a rookie, so if that’s the case you could say that about every rookie in the league right now. That’s fine, but go comment on other rookies who are receiving high marks to start the year about how you’re “not sold” because it’s only been 3 games. Not sure why you’re singling out Fuller if “I need more than 3 games to buy into a player” is your reasoning here. He’s played great so far this year, but nobody’s crowning him as the best corner in the game. He still has a long way to go, as does every rookie – That should go without saying.

          • Dohkay

            I’m singling out Fuller because he is currently the highest rated corner according to PFF so technically he’s been the best corner in the game so far using their metrics.

            If Blake Bortles or Justin Gilbert or Kelvin Benjamin was the highest rated player at their position I’d say the same thing unless they did it against the very best teams (say Bortles/Benjamin played against defenses like Seattle, Arizona, Cincinatti, etc. or against elite offenses for Gilbert like Denver, Philadephia, New Orleans, etc.).

          • Kris Gehrke

            Has he made the most plays out of any corner so far this year? Yes, which is all that these metrics show. That’s the only point of these metrics.

            Also, FYI – in an apparently easy match up against SF, Patrick Peterson and Antonio Cromartie scored -0.1, and 0.7, respectively.

          • Dohkay

            Let me repent. Fuller is amazing. He will probably shut down the Pack and become known as the greatest CB ever. Hooray!

          • Kris Gehrke

            Settle down champ, you’re the only one here with the misconception that people think PFF metrics through 3 games = greatest player ever! Like I said before, nobody is crowning him as the best corner in the game, or even close to it yet. But he’s played great (despite your arguments that all plays he made were gimmes) so far and he’s shown many reasons to be excited about his potential.

          • Dohkay

            Nah it’s my bad for having the audacity to state my opinion that I don’t think his amazing play through three games is as amazing due to the opponents he faced. Nowhere have I stated that he isn’t good but rather he’s not as great as his grade indicates thus far which puts him as the best CB through three games. In fact I said I’m reserving judgement until next week when he gets his first true test of a good passing attack. That apparently caused all kinds of butthurt for people. I apologize!

      • Dohkay


    • Tim_Sims

      What does it mean to be “sold” on him? He’s a rookie. I don’t expect him to end the year averaging an interception and a forced fumble per game. I wouldn’t even expect that of an established premier defensive back like Richard Sherman or Darrelle Revis, because that’s an insane expectation. If Fuller kept up his current pace, he’d be the league MVP.

      But that sort of highlights just how good he’s been so far, and the special “knack” he has for being around the ball and being active in trying to generate takeaways. On top of that he’s a very physical player and a sure tackler for his position, so he’s able to fit into any specific scheme instead of being a coverage specialist.

      So yea, I’m “sold” on him as a terrific player and a good pick for the Bears. Whether or not he continues to play at an all pro level when facing more elite QBs and receivers remains to be seen. So far, so good.

      • Dohkay

        I made the mistake of suggesting that I, and only I, a random commenter here on PFF, am withholding judgement on him being a legit CB in the NFL until AFTER he faces a halfway decent passing offense. I would like to see how he fares this weekend against Rodgers before I officially buy into his performance. That is all…

  • Jason Williams

    once again my hopes are being raised by a Bear team that I’m pretty sure will let me down by Week 12 or so.

    • a57se

      Try being a Jets fan….

      • Jason Williams

        thanks but pass 😉

  • Chris

    All y’all’s bickering down there about this INT has me curious – gonna fire up Game Rewind on my phone and take a look.

    • Dohkay

      Don’t bother. Fuller is the second coming of Darrelle Sherman Sanders and only intercepts incredibly-hard-to-intercept passes thrown by Gods like EJ, Geno, and Kaep.

    • Chris

      Okay I don’t know what either of y’all are talking about. Fuller had his eyes on Kaep the whole time and made a great play.

      I broke the play down here over 5 frames. This is great work from the LB knowing the down/distance and sinking deeper and Fuller reading Kaep and jumping a route.

      Kaep didn’t stare down his receiver. His read was Fuller. When Fuller checked up on the comeback by Crabtree, he looked to Carrier. Fuller made a great play keeping his eyes in the backfield and jumping the route.

      • Dohkay

        Your 3rd screenshot shows the TE wide open. Kaep holds on to it a full second too long. A good quarterback makes the throw as soon as the TE starts his break and Fuller is too far underneath to make the play. Instead, Kaep holds it another second allowing the LB underneath to cover up the WR and allowing Fuller to drift away from the sideline and make a pick.

        • Chris

          You do realize that people don’t make decisions instantly. And that’s what was – a decision. His primary read wasn’t Carrier on the 7, as mentioned above his primary read was his #1 WR running a comeback at the sticks for a conversion.

          That’s why his read is Fuller. If Fuller sinks down in his zone Carrier will be open. Fuller appears to do that but he recovers instantly and is in position to intercept the pass.

          If Kaep throws the ball to Carrier right as he’s out if his break without reading Fuller than he could be throwing right at Fuller. You don’t seem to realize that QBs have to read certain defenders and make decisions against zone coverage. He did that, Fuller just made an excellent play.

          • Dohkay

            Fair enough.

          • Chris

            It’s his progression that takes time. Making reads takes him. The route combination they were using meant he had to read Fuller. He did that, then switched to Carrier. Fuller followed the play and made the INT.

            Made possible because the LB sank deep on 3rd and long cutting off the short out to Crabtree and Fuller recovered deep and jumped the 7 to Carrier.

            Looks just as good as when Wright and Sherman do it.

          • Chris

            If anything the breakdown on this play was Carrier. He ran his 7 too shallow like he was expecting cover 2 out of a smash 7 combination. But in cover 3 the corner is deeper and in position to cut that off if he’s smart.

            Carrier should’ve come out at more of an angle instead of cutting hard to the sidline. If he did that Kaep can loft it in over Fuller.

          • Dohkay

            LOL settle down captain I’ve already waived the white flag.

          • Chris

            I’m just commenting on what I see. I’d say Carrier is at fault

      • Dohkay

        By the way, nice breakdown.

  • Jeff

    Nick Mangold’s resurgence can be tied in directly with him not babysitting Brian Winters, just take a look at the tape. Though unfortunately, Winters is still god awful. I do wonder if the refs didn’t blow the play dead on the touchdown return by the Jets, just how differently the game plan would’ve changed. smh

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Keep thinking Fuller isn’t all that.
    What’s impressive about his Geno Smith pick is the slight shove he gives Nelson at the top of the route. He can do that because the QB fled the pocket. The WR loses his balance for a bit, so Fuller undercuts and picks the ball.
    That’s how you judge a CB: that shove, keeping his eyes on Kap, understanding his LBs help position, his timing on the Crabree pick, his speed, his quickness, his jumping, his catching ability, his Peanut Punch, his tackling, his YAC allowed, his versatility.
    That’s what matters, not what the QB is doing. If every Offense is perfect you wouldn’t have picks. You judge what a CB does to put himself in the position to exploit the errors.

    PS: It’s like saying ‘nah’ about the Kam Chancellor pick against Manning because it was the wrong QB read, decision, throw. Fuck that !!! The S made a fantastic play, period.

    • Dohkay


  • Bathazar Xavier

    roflmao…this guy is still trolling this subject? granted, he’s not an annoying troll, but he’s trolling nonetheless. there’s nothing you can say to him that will make him believe that fuller is a good corner. not stats, obviously not film, and certainly not logic. i give him the idea that 3 games is too soon to put fuller on the HOF ballot, but nobody is saying that, it’s simply that he passes the eye test that last year’s first round pick still hasn’t. and this week, when fuller gets abused a lil by aaron rodgers, he’ll have proof positive that he’s right about fuller being mediocre at best. nevermind that all of the bears corners have more than a lil abused by rodgers. but that’ll be his argument, mark my font.

    • Dohkay

      Hi Bathazar :)

      • Bathazar Xavier

        sorry…it’s against my religion to feed trolls.

        • Dohkay