Why Khalil Mack was better than Von Miller in 2015

Gordon McGuinness explains how the Raiders' OLB just edged out the Super Bowl 50 MVP in PFF's Top 101 of 2015.

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(AP Photo/Joe Mahoney)

(AP Photo/Joe Mahoney)

Why Khalil Mack was better than Von Miller in 2015


On the balance of the 2015 regular season and playoffs, there were no two edge rushers as devastating as AFC West rivals Khalil Mack and Von Miller. While Mack was the regular-season superstar, racking up 16 sacks, Miller exploded with one of the best performances from any player we’ve ever seen in the postseason, notching six sacks in the AFC Championship and Super Bowl alone. Unfortunately, the very nature of the PFF Top 101 means that we have to rank one over the other, and while Miller (No. 7 on our list) was a superstar in the playoffs and Mack (No. 6) was practically unblockable throughout 2015, it just so happens that the Oakland Raiders weren’t quite good enough to make the postseason.

That Mack is one of the best players in the league should come as a surprise to nobody. He was sensational against the run as a rookie and, while he didn’t dominate as a pass rusher, he certainly made a big enough impression as a first-year pro in that regard. That’s where he stepped up in 2015, though, becoming one of the most devastating defenders in the NFL, wrecking offensive gameplans and hunting down quarterbacks.

Mack registered at least two pressures in every game last season, and at least five in 12 matchups. Let’s consider that briefly: He was able to register at least five pressures (sacks, hits or hurries) in three-quarters of the games he played last season. Miller managed five or more pressures 13 times, but did so over 19 games, so not quite as often as Mack. The Bronco was more productive on a per-snap basis, though, registering a pass-rushing productivity of 15.4 with 105 total pressures on 538 pass-rushing snaps. By comparison, Mack had a pass-rushing productivity mark of 12.3, with 82 total pressures on 534 pass-rushing snaps.

What impressed the most about Mack as a pass-rusher was how consistent he was on a week-to-week basis. The Raider graded negatively as a pass-rusher once all season—the Week 15 game against the Green Bay Packers—and routinely was a nightmare for opposing offensive tackles. Mitchell Schwartz of the Cleveland Browns was our second-highest graded right tackle in pass protection, and his lowest-graded game in that regard came against the Raiders, with Mack beating him for all four of the pressures he allowed that day, including this sack and forced fumble.

Mack

Against the run is where Mack really establishes his dominance over the rest of the players at his position, and after wowing everyone as a rookie, he maintained that high standard in 2015. Mack’s run-defense grade of 96.3 was so far ahead of his peers that Seattle Seahawks defensive end Michael Bennett was the only other player with a grade of 90.0, coming in at 90.1. He made a tackle resulting in a defensive stop 34 times last year, the best mark among 3-4 outside linebackers. Coming on 321 snaps against the run, it gave him a run-stop percentage of 10.6, ranking second at the position. Miller wasn’t unproductive, but ranked 12th at 5.4 percent, with Mack recording a defensive stop almost twice as often as the Broncos’ edge rusher.

There is definitely a case for Miller, the Super Bowl 50 MVP, who was a better pass-rusher and had one of the most spectacular playoff performances by a defensive player, but on the balance of their full bodies of work in 2015, Mack was close enough as a pass-rusher, and so superior as a run-defender, that he was the better overall player. It’s difficult to split the two of them, and I’m sure both the Broncos and Raiders coaches wouldn’t swap either of them, but in 2015, it was Mack who just had the edge.

[More on the Top 101: To see the entire list of 2015’s best NFL players, click here.]

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Gordon has worked at PFF since 2011, and now heads up the company’s special teams analysis processes. His work in-season focuses on college football, while he is also heavily involved in PFF’s NFL draft coverage.

  • McGeorge

    I’ll take the “very good player” in the regular season, who morphs into “The Unstoppable Beast” in the playoffs.

    • Raider Bong

      that could very well be mack this year. either way, both are top alpha dogs of the league…should be a great rivalry.

    • calling all toasters

      You might want to consider the guy who is “The Unstoppable Beast” all season long.

  • Mike

    Miller also had A LOT more guys on the team to account for than Mack. Khalil would have had 25+ sacks if he swapped teams as they were last year.

    • codered5

      We all know that’s not how pass rushing stats work. You could argue that miller would have had more stats playing for the raiders but he would have been less effective for sure. Miller got single blocked in a lot of those super bowl highlights. You simply could not double anyone on the broncos because youd get spanked by everyone else. To end my very nuanced argument i just have to say: mack>miller on mommas

      • Dupree Jackson

        Mack WILL GET DEFENSIVE PLAYER! !

      • Carl Cockerham

        Mack had 11 sacks in five games when Mario Edwards Jr. was in there. He didn’t have any in the last two games, when Edwards was out. Miller had Malik Jackson and that Wolfe kid all year long.

        • Dragon tam

          Don’t forget ware and Ray. Mack>Miller. Mack had 15 sacks to millers 10 in reg season…how’s he a better pass rusher

    • GiveNoFuq

      I hope your event serious with that 25 sack comment, but Miller was doing it long before they stacked that defense.

      • Carl Cockerham

        That defense has been stacked since he got there. But I don’t want to sound like Miller is bad because he’s great. Mack just happens to be the most dominant player in the league, even over Watt because Watt can’t cover.

        • codered5

          Point taken but the Broncos had a bunch of outside rushers taking sacks away from miller too ex: Ware Barret and ray. The Raiders had one sack guy on the whole team and interior push helps the outside rushers get sacks but other outside rushers steal sacks. Mario’s interior presence helped khalil collect sacks but if d ware was across from mack he would have got a few of those sacks

          • Carl Cockerham

            You’re forgetting that you can’t slide the protection toward Miller because of Ware. And most of the time, Ware is on the left tackle and Miller takes advantage of the right tackle.

          • codered5

            You have a point about the fact that they cant slide protection and thats true but they couldnt slide protection to anyone on denver resulting in what you saw in theafc championship game. D ware and von basically picked up the snap count and rip moved to the quarterback. They both ate and they had to share some of those sacks. Khalil rushes on the left side most of the timevening too. All of the best rushers in the league rush on the defensive left side. We agree anyway. Khalil is a better player

          • Carl Cockerham

            He lines up on the right when he plays linebacker and the left in the nickel defense, when he plays end. Miller it pretty much ALWAYS on the right.

          • Samuel Charles

            Say what?

            “Miller it pretty much ALWAYS on the right”

            Ummm, no.

            Wrong again. Carl.

            wwwDOTnflDOTcom/videos/nfl-2015-elite-performers/0ap3000000629885/Von-Miller-Top-10-Plays-of-2015

          • Carl Cockerham

            You’re wikepedia stats are inaccurate. If you go to reas STATS, it will tell you the real attendance stats. Highlights don’t tell the story. You have to watch the whole game. Example: Super Bowl 50! Not even you can say he wasn’t on the right most of the time. LMAO! Broncos fans will even tell you that. Keep trying or get a life!

          • Samuel Charles

            Ummmm, no Carl.

            “Miller it pretty much ALWAYS on the right.”

            Von Miller mostly plays on the left side of Denver’s defense.

            Ask around (at kindergarten). Stop confusing your tiny brain.

            wwwDOTnflDOTcom/teams/news/depthchart?team=DEN

            wwwDOTourladsDOTcom/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/DEN

            wwwDOTfoxsportsDOTcom/nfl/denver-broncos-team-depth-chart

          • Carl Cockerham

            He’s a SAM! Don’t change it midstream because you suddenly know I’m right. Everyone else here understood me. But you coming in on your donkey, thinking it was a high horse, are wrong! You can’t talk to me until you know football. Start with the positions. You say I’m wrong about everything but are the Raiders in LA? LMAO! Try out for a semi pro team since you never got to learn the game. SAM PLAYS ON THE RIGHT SIDE UNLESS THE OFFENSE DECIDES TO LINE HIM UP LEFT. You’re the one that needs correcting. Get the tree branch out of your eye before you get the speck out of mine!

          • Carl Cockerham

            Ummmm, the people I was talking to, none of which being you, all knew I was talking about the offensive right side. But you, not knowing until you did research after I told you that you were wrong, want to all of the sudden say, “I’m talking about the defensive side.” First off, I wasn’t talking to you.You’re stalking me like you know something but obviously don’t I told you he’s a SAM and he is a SAM! If you know football, you would have said that. But you want to show highlights of him on the left side to prove your point. It’s too late DUMMY! I’m bored of you now so I’m done. Have a nice life, if you have one!

          • Samuel Charles

            Congrats.

            You’re about the most ignorant person the internet.

            And you know nothing about football, the only thing you take pride in.

            At least you’re a Grade A Ahzzhole Carl.

            Congrats.

            Please let us all know the next time we need someone to give us incorrect stats, attendance, names, positions analysis or anything, basically.

            Just ask Carl, he doesn’t know anything, but he damn sure won’t admit he’s wrong about everything (and therefore consistent).

          • Carl Cockerham

            But I know what a SAM is! I actually played the game, unlike you!

          • Samuel Charles

            Must be sad for you that you played the game 30 years ago and you’re still so ignorant.

          • Carl Cockerham

            It’s even more sad that you think you know the game and don’t know what a SAM does. It’s time to stop pretending like you know better.

          • Carl Cockerham

            Sorry, the Wikipedia doesn’t tell you what a SAM does.

          • Carl Cockerham

            You send me stats from Wikipedia and a Broncos site and think you did something! LMAO! My attendance stats came from STATS inc plus I was around when it happened. The Raiders drew 35,000 people five games before their Super Bowl! They had blackouts every home game for a reason and it wasn’t because the capacity was 92,000. It was because they didn’t reach 65,000. I know you think you know but I don’t think you know. You have to be more than a nerd that believes everything they see on the computer. You probably think John Madden died a couple of months ago. That’s on the computer. You don’t know jack! LMMFAO!

          • Samuel Charles

            ps

            I also gave you attendance stats from Denver’s website.

            Genius.

            Just admit you’re wrong, your article was wrong, you don’t know anything, you don’t even know the names of the top prospects in the draft, you just type articles based on things you learned 30 years ago.

            Isn’t that right. Carl?

          • Carl Cockerham

            You don’t have a job so you want to prove your self worth by acting like you know everthing when you don’t? You want me to give you a job? Who are you?

          • Carl Cockerham

            You need to learn football! Miller is a SAM! SAM’s play on the right side of the offense. A lot of the time, he’s still on the right side in the nickel. It takes a while to learn the game. You can’t do it through the wikipedia or highlights. Really? Highlights was your prove? The Broncos fans on this site know Miller is on the right side a lot. He’s a SAM! That’s what SAMs do! Learn the game before you bother me again. Go learn what a SAM is. You know, the Broncos run a 3-4, just in case you didn’t know!

          • Samuel Charles

            Exactly dummy.

            The left side of the defense is the LEFT.

            No one who actually knows football would refer to someone as playing on the left side of the defense as playing on ‘the Right’.

            They’d say he plays on ‘the left’, or ‘the strong side’, or they’re trying ton confuse people they might say ‘the right side of the offense’.

            I thought you pretended to know about football? But you can’t even explain something this simple.

            And you still won’t admit you were wrong about 30 things already.

          • Carl Cockerham

            LMAO! Get a life! Where did you play? That’s what I thought!

          • Carl Cockerham

            I’ll just give you a bottom line here. Mack made All-Pro in two positions.

        • GiveNoFuq

          Prior to whrnn they lost the SB in 2013 that defense was solid, but it wasn’t stacked.

        • Carl Cockerham

          Mack’s defense was horrible in 2014 and bad in 2015. We’ll see this year, what Mack really is!

          • Dragon tam

            Lol how was he horrible? Number one graded edge defender and second in sacks? Idiot

          • Carl Cockerham

            You’re a stupid ass! I was talking about Mack’s defense in 2014! THE TEAM! I’m making a case for Mack not having the help Miller had. And you have the nerve to call someone an idiot? DAMN YOU’RE DUMB! I wasn’t talking to you anyway, dummy! It’s scary how stupid people can be just because they want to argue! Take that crap somewhere else until you get smarter!

          • luke flett

            I knew what u meant Carl and u were right the raiders defense was awful in 2014 and still bad in 2015

          • Carl Cockerham

            Of course you did! You know football! lol That guy just wanted to prove a point he didn’t have.

          • Veteran_in_Germany

            Troll alert.

          • Carl Cockerham

            He has doo-doo brains! He didn’t realize I was making a case for Mack! LMAO!

        • TheTruth

          you obviously don’t know sqaut. stacked since he got there? can you give me one scenario that show’s how a “stacked” defense can be ranked 31st? he was drafted 2 overall for a reason they had no D. theye have up 100 yards to McFadden and Charles in two year.

      • TheTruth

        raider fans will not looking at any numbers other than their players, and they wont factor in the fact that mack played the worst tackle in football when he had his best sack game. heven played our starter when oak lost in oak, and mack attack had zewo sacks, aww. ahaha, so let me getc this straight, mack goes up against our rookie tackle? gets shut out, mack goes up vs the worst tackle aka our 5th option, and has a 5 sack game and all of a sudden hes a beast pass rusher? evem though he played in 200 more snaps, which equals 2.5 games. which von couldve racked up 4 more sacks, 7 or 8 if he played the worst tackle in football

    • Frank Sharp

      Exactly miller had way more talent around him than mack switch defenses mack would put up ridiculous numbers

  • Dupree Jackson

    MACK WILL GET DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR…WATCH! !!

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  • Jody

    meh. You state that Miller was more productive on a per snap basis, that means more to me. Also, Denver’s run defense was one of the best in the league, so Mack would presumably have had more opportunities for run stops. Miller was only sackless in six games, Mack was sackless in 8 (and had the 5 sack outlier game against Denver’s sack padding turnstile tackle). Mack is great, but I’ll take Miller.

    • Its Me

      i can only imagine if Von got to go against Schofield 1-on-1

      • Frank Sharp

        I believe mack was avg 2 sacks a game leading up to the broncos game so yeah mack is better

        • Its Me

          And if he had been kept to 1 or 2 (like average) then he would have 1 more sack than von on the season, there are countless other times when Von would have had a sack but teammates beat him there. For yall it was mack or bust

          • raider_harvey

            Von also benefited from his line. Qb couldn’t escape to the other side like he could in Oakland, or step up into the pocket, also qbs had to hold the ball longer because the broncos pass defense was great

          • Its Me

            Yea it helps as a team, but hurts his personal stats. Even with that, they still rolled protections towards Von the majority of the time. If Mack had better teammates, they’d be eating into his stats as well

          • raider_harvey

            As I said it’s a two way street… They eat into his stats but also create more opportunities for him to garner stats…when our rookie Mario Edwards started getting push in the middle towards the end of the year Mack started cleaning up sacks instead of hurries where the qb stepping up into the pocket or rolled away.
            Even more important is the excellent secondary which gives von and the others time to get to the qb

          • Its Me

            The line benefited more from Von than he did from them, or have you not watched Broncos games for the past 5 years? The defense has been above average/good ever since he has been here, wasn’t always the case before hand. Von and them were going to get after the quarterback no matter, having a good defensive backs stopped people from completing or doing anything with the quick throws more so than help get sacks

          • raider_harvey

            That’s your opinion…not strictly fact.
            And Lmao if the qb can’t make quick passes then he obviously holds the ball longer…thus creating the opportunity for sacks. Watch a raiders game from the last 2 years and you’ll see what I mean…Mack can’t quite get to the qb because he has quick outlets

          • Its Me

            Wow.. so what exactly did you write that is strictly facts? haha Do you actually know how often “coverage sacks” occur, as in went through every read and had nowhere to go. If you watched the Broncos games, you would have seen that the majority of the time qbs were so under duress they couldn’t go through their entire progression or play comfortably. You’d probably look good if you only had to do something for 2 seconds

          • raider_harvey

            You’re stating things as if they’re facts…
            He doesn’t have to go through his entire progression… if he can throw to his first read, he can do that faster than if he has to look for others.
            Idk why you said all that of course the qb is under duress in Denver. That leads to him holding the ball longer and getting sacked

          • Its Me

            So are you…
            Having open options but not having the time to get it to them is the same as playing flat-out good coverage. There were many times people were open but the qb couldn’t get it there (part by design). The defense was great because they have defensive backs, they still would have been good with lesser dbs, look at he Texans D. The front 7 still would’ve won games. Idk how you don’t understand. Von makes the difference.

          • Raymond Mendoza

            If you think about that, I mean really think about that, then you would realize that Mack drew more doubles because it was “Mack or bust”. Just saying …

          • Its Me

            When teams tried to double team, majority of the time it was towards Von… Just saying

          • TheTruth

            teams cant double mack because he rushes out of the 3-4 only 4-3 vs the run, or he plays 43 olb but plays wide, same way Dennis Allen used von his first couple years, same way del rio used von. regardless of doubles which they saw the same amount when rushing, mack played maybe the worst tackle in the league, and if he played our real tackle like he did when the Broncos beat em in oak, he wouldve gotten1 sack like he did when the Broncos beat them in oak, and if Von played the worst tackle, whow was only in his 5the start, he wouldve gotten 7 sacks, mack should’ve finished with 11 sacks. and if you look at his rookie numbers, his 2nd year, his 3rd year, his 4th year, von has been top 3 in run defense for olbs every year, his best run defense grade was better than macks this year and mack was 1st this year.

    • Carl Cockerham

      He didn’t have more pressures on a per snap basis in the regular season. He did most of he damage in the Super Bowl against a bust named Michael Oher. I’ll take Mack every day of the week because he’s physically more dominant and much better against run. Miller is nice but he only wins with speed. Mack wins with speed and power.

      • Frank Yi

        Miller lined up on the strong side most of the game and did his damage against Remmers, not Oher.

        • Carl Cockerham

          He’s even worse!

          • Anthony

            Wayyy worse. Oher had a bounce back year in terms of pass blocking. Still an ass run blocker though.

          • TheTruth

            remmers wasnt as bad as either of the Broncos starting tackle for the SB, and remmers nor oher(lol) allowed a sack, hit, or pressure vs the seahawks in the division game, and the cards in the nfc ship. they changed something up and so did he and von still demolished him. you say mack is much better in the run? mack plays 4-3 olb and 4-3 end vs the run and its a lot easier blowing up a play like that, von runs a 3-4 this year, von is horribly underrated as a run stopper unless you have been keeping up with him his career. his rookie year (droy) he was the best OLB against the run and top 5 in the rush. evem when he was 4 years less experienced and 25 lbs lighter he was top 5 for all linebackers vs the run. this year von was a 3-4 olb for the first time. mack was 1st in run d grade for olbs/edge defenders, miller was second, but miller’s run d grade his 2nd yeare in the league his run D grade was a lot higher than macks this year, check the numbers, after that year they started running away from him, its a known fact, they will do that to mack this year and his run grade d will go down even though he’ll improve, von runs a defense that is harder to stop the run in, and they ran away from him, and they had the best run d so they rarely ran on us which gives von less plays to add to his grade, and Von played in 150 less snaps tHan mack which also takes a loooottt of opportunities for run d grade and sacks. plus macks best game was against our back up, back, back uo, back up tackle, and the other rusher who got multiple sacks went up against a backup back up backups. if you wouldve played our real tackles they wouldve had 2 sacks total and they wouldve lost and gone 0-8 vs playoff teams

      • DragonPie

        Both have plenty of speed and power. For you to suggest that Miller doesn’t have power suggests that you’ve never seen him play. And he’s been very good against the run since he’s gotten into the league.

        • Carl Cockerham

          As good as Khalil Mack against the run? Really? Don’t make yourself look dumb!

          • DragonPie

            Calling me “dumb” because I pointed out that Miller has been good against the run doesn’t make me look bad. I never said that Mack wasn’t a good player, only that it’s reductionist to claim that Miller is only good at rushing the passer when he’s done a very good job at also maintaining gap responsibility and has been good in space tackling running backs while winning at the point of attack for his entire career. He’s always played with power as well as speed and he actually has a terrific bull rush when he chooses to.

            Until this year, my only concern was whenever he dropped into coverage, but actually, this year, he was much improved in coverage.

            It’s fine to prefer Mack, but Miller has objectively always shown well against the run.

          • Carl Cockerham

            Sorry, never ment to call YOU dumb. There’s another guy calling himself dragon something on here that was trying to argue with me when he actually agreed with me. I think his name is dragon tam. There’s a lot of dragons around here.

      • Franchise Punter

        Didn’t Mack get five of his sacks against Michael Schofield?

    • Leo Delgadillo

      The writer acknowledged that Miller had the advantage as a pass rusher though. However the difference between the two in that regard was smaller than the difference in their run stopping production, where Mack is far superior.

      • TheNameGame

        In a formula. Remember that PFF is judging by the numbers, which is great and all, but this is still an 11-on-11 game and coaches still game plan with players in mind. For example, if no one runs your way or if your teammates always there to make the tackle instead of you, the PFF formula doesn’t account for it.

    • Joe

      Stopping the run should always be the number one priority.. Mack all day every day.

      • TheTruth

        von LED all outside linebackers in run defense his rookie year the next year his run defense grade was higher than Macks this year and this year he played in 150 less snaps than mac which lowered his grade a lot and played in a 3-4 which is harder to play the run in. and macks best game was vs a back up back up back up backups vs the 28t ranked qb. ya exactly. he played our starter when they lost to Denver and he got shut out. ya exactly. he should’ve finished with 11 sacks. von couldve finished with 20 if he played our tackle lmao!

    • TheTruth

      and a 34 olb has it harder in the run than a 43 de or olb, which is what they go to when they think it’s a run, Broncos dont they stay in the 3-4, plus they run away from von because he’s been top 3 in run d for olbs every year of his career.

  • Chris

    I’ll take mack. Yes im a raiders fan but im a realistic fan. The fact that Mack is just as dominant as Von as a pass rusher, he’s the best run stopper in the game. Mack is going in his 3rd year and can guarantee he will get the holding calls he deserved his first 2 years. He also has better help and will see enty of 1 on 1 situations. I’ll take Mack everytime

    • Chris

      *plenty of one on one

  • GiveNoFuq

    Von Miller almost averages a sack a game at .83 for his career, with a acl injury in between.

    • Autocephallus

      And almost single-handedly won a super bowl. People forget he lead the league in sacks his second year.

      • Carl Cockerham

        He didn’t almost single handedly win Jack! He had a GREAT DEFENSIVE TEAM with him!

        • Autocephallus

          Yes he did, deny it all you want. Broncos don’t win that game without Miller’s forced fumbles.

          • Carl Cockerham

            Miller gets double-teamed if Wolfe, Jackson and Ware aren’t on his TEAM. It’s a TEAM thing!

          • Autocephallus

            You didn’t even know who Jackson and Wolfe were before last year.

          • Carl Cockerham

            That would be like saying you didn’t know who Donald Penn was until last year! lol

          • TheNameGame

            How? Like really, I’m curious how not knowing two Broncos defensive linemen who’ve played like 5 years max if even, is like not knowing a former Buccaneers and now Raiders offensive tackle who’s been in the league for at least twice as long as the other two

      • Carl Cockerham

        Okay, by your standards, Mack almost single handedly beat the Broncos, so what?

  • RVM3

    Mack is the most exciting linebacker since LT.

    • Frank Sharp

      True. I’ve heard sports analyst compared him to derrick Thomas and players compare him to Lt

      • RVM3

        Mack as a rookie was probably a better all-around player than Thomas was at his peak. I’m old enough to have seen LT since Day 1. I’m also not a Raiders fan, or a fan of any team. I watch the games agnostically and Mack is someone I would pay to see, a la Ray Lewis in his prime. Mack reminds me of LT because you simply can’t run a play or a pass exposing his side of the field. Mack is already Deion Sanders-ish in this regard, namely shutting down a large part of the field due to absolute dominance.

  • http://www.michaeltoebe.com Michael

    How about this, both guys are very productive for their teams, who are fortunate to have them.

    • Holzy

      But if we do that then how can we cherry pick stats and argue about things that we can’t prove?

      • Yahhhmon

        Great reply. I know PFF is just trying to have fun, create debate yet I think both the Raiders and Broncos are very happy with Mack and Miller. The league knows both are great.

  • drew

    Yeah Mack feasted against Schofield, but he also air lifted the Broncos left tackle en route to a sack as well. I have never seen Miller air lift a tackle the way Mack did on that play. He embarrassed both tackles so bad even my feelings were hurt. Mack was only in his second year. With Irvin then Smith in there, he will be unstoppable. Osweiller knew this and didn’t want to get raped twice a year by Mack, that’s why he went to different division.

    • Frank Yi

      From Miller’s rookie season. Pretty impressive display of power I’d say

      https://youtu.be/4SV67mGXC9c

      • Carl Cockerham

        You know he’s not as powerful as Mack so what are you even saying?

        • DragonPie

          Who “knows” he’s not as powerful as Mack?

          I think that people believe that Mack’s game is predicated more on power than Miller’s and that’s fine. Miller has shown insane power on many occasions. Both are very powerful and fast and if either was one or the other, they wouldn’t be as impressive.

          I just don’t like people discounting one player because they are fan boys for the other player. That’s ludicrous.

          • Carl Cockerham

            I never said Miller was a bum. He can play! Just saying he’s more of a speed guy and Mack is more physical. All the players in the league say that.

  • James Schroeder

    Von Miller had Demarcus ware Molique Jackson and top-tier defensive backs to help his game. He was surrounded by far more defensive weapons that enabled him to have the success he’s had. Mack had to do it on his own. If Mack was on the Broncos defense he would’ve shattered the sack record halfway through the season. He’s a beast and is far better than Von Miller would be in a comparable defense.

    I know you’re favoring Mack a little in this article and I can appreciate that but with all things considered it’s a no-brainer. I’m sorry but when you have Demarcus ware across from you taking double coverage. You tend to get to the quarterback with a lot less roadblocks.

    • Autocephallus

      Put down the Kool-Aid.

      • James Schroeder

        Just stating the facts. If anyone doesn’t think being across from Demarcus ware on the number one defense in the league isnt going to help somebody’s game tremendously. they’re a fool

        • Autocephallus

          “If Mack was on the Broncos defense he would’ve shattered the sack record halfway through the season. He’s a beast and is far better than Von Miller would be in a comparable defense.”

          That’s not a fact, that’s the opinion of a homer.

        • TheTruth

          your insane, shatter the record? half way. through the season?!?! dude stop…. von was drafted to the 31st ranked Defnese, he was very undersized and he had a better pass rush grade and run d grade than any other LB. was it from help? his 2nd year his run grade was a lot higher than macks was this year….. was it from help? and macks best pass rush game? vs our 5th option at tackle, a 5th time starter. what happened when he played our starter?(and our starter was already hurt) he got shut out. smh. if Von wouldve played our tackle that faced mack he wouldve had a 7 sacks game and mack wouldve finished the year with 11,. think about it if it weren’t from the worst tackle in football, and the 28t ranked QB, mack wouldve finished with less sacks than von had on a defense was 31st the year before… what help? smh what a homer

  • BigNick

    Miller is the better player. Only JuJ Watt ranks higher. PFF only covets numbers. Donald was 3rd. Not more valuable than Miller or Watt. Those two are game changers. If Mack follows up with another dominant season and shows up in the playoffs…then he can be added to the conversation. Not now.

  • Drew Robertson

    Mac is better

  • Thomas Bell

    Ironically, it was Mack’s game in Denver where he notched five sacks vs Michael Schofield, that gave him a significant statistical boost.

    There are a significant portion of Bronco fans who noticed we had among the league lowest number of holding penalties called on our defense through the first 3/4 of the season. (I know, this screams homer comment.) Still, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Miller double his sack numbers from last season if these calls even out a bit.

    • John Rettberg

      Yeah and straight man handled your LT. Lifted him and slammed on his back while never slowing down. He looked liked a freight train had just ran him over. It was awesome.

      • TheNameGame

        Really…Ryan Harris? I mean, it was awesome, but….it’s Ryan Harris.

  • Dennis Reesman

    Mack has his “big games” against bottom tier offenses. Good for you bud. Von dominated the post season…when it matters. I don’t care where you graded/ranked Mitchel Shwartz…it’s the Browns. Broncos had a terrible offense too. Hype don’t win championships.

  • TheTruth

    do they have a stat that says how often they run away from you? and everyone talked about his all pro being in 2 pos. but forget its easier to play and or affect the run as a 43 de or olb