Don’t get too excited over Marcus Mariota’s debut

Sam Monson says Tennessee's Marcus Mariota had a very impressive debut for a rookie QB -- just not the perfect debut some are calling it.

| 1 year ago
(AP Photo/Chris O'Meara)

(AP Photo/Chris O'Meara)

Don’t get too excited over Marcus Mariota’s debut


Marcus Mariota may have won the rookie bowl in the meeting of the first two picks of the 2015 draft, but the numbers he put up might not quite match his performance.

He finished the Titans’ blowout win over the Bucs 13 of 16 for 209 yards, with four touchdown passes and a perfect passer rating of 158.3. No matter which way you slice it, that performance looks special.

His PFF grade, however, wasn’t anything close to special, coming in at “just” +1.6 for the day.

That’s a pretty good mark, and it’s a very good mark for a rookie in his first game of NFL action (Jameis Winston on the other side graded a disastrous -7.8), but it doesn’t reflect the dominance that the team had or that a perfect passer rating suggests.

This win and the stat line was far more about the gulf between the two sides and schemes than it was about how good Mariota was playing quarterback.

He also came pretty close to throwing an interception early in the game:

Mariota INT

If that pass gets picked off, his perfect passer rating falls 26 points.

Mariota attempted just two passes that traveled 20+ yards in the air from scrimmage, and both were called back by penalty. Everything was either short (11 attempts under 10 yards) or intermediate (5), and as much a product of the defense he was facing as any fantastic skill on his part. 117 of the 209 yards he passed for came after the catch, as receivers made things happen with the ball in their hands, again highlighting how inept the Tampa Bay defense was in the game.

What Mariota did do was dispel any notion that he was inherently not ready to lead an offense at the NFL level. He looked pretty poised in the pocket, was accurate on the passes he did attempt, and took advantage of the opportunities he did have — exactly his MO at Oregon — making relatively few mistakes.

While Winston on the other side struggled in the face of an offensive line that couldn’t run block, and was surrendering consistent pressure, Mariota looked significantly more comfortable and able to work from within the framework of his offense — something the Tennessee coaching staff deserves significant credit for creating.

It may be a little early to crown Marcus Mariota the Rookie of the Year or the next great rookie passer, but what we have seen is a strong case to suggest that the strengths he showed at Oregon will translate to the NFL, despite the question mark of the scheme he was playing in. Mariota was the best-graded quarterback in the FBS last season, well ahead of Winston, and it was because of performances like this. We saw Mariota able to operate comfortably within an offense and take advantage of simple plays that it created for him. What will be interesting to see is if he can maintain that against a defense that will make him work harder for it.

The passer rating may have been perfect, but the performance has plenty of room to grow to hit that level.

| Senior Analyst

Sam is a Senior Analyst at Pro Football Focus, as well as a contributor to ESPN.

  • MajorMule

    Ok, excellent game plan and Wizzer is a good QB coach. Both MM and Wiz seem to be on the same page…poise and execution. There was two intangibles that cannot be coached. MM sees the whole picture before and after the snap, and he has a dart thrower accuracy and quick release. We are about 60 games before anyone will know for sure if he will be equal to an Aaron Rodgers. He sure looks like he has the tangile and intangibles that it takes. Most of all he, like all the greats QB’s, he maybe the man that attracts the great OL and receivers. I watched Peyton for years and often wondered what would he have been if he had a bottom tier OL?

    • Sam Doohan

      I think you’re dead right about how important the line is. Even against a pretty mediocre defense from the Titans the Bucs looked genuinely inept, had nothing going with the run and surrendered constant pressure. Not a single quarter back in the world was going to look good there.

      By contrast, the Buc D achieved close to nothing, letting the Titans run the ball and seldom making Mariota really work. At times he looked like he was on the practice field in a no contact jersey.

      Both of them looked like rookies. Both of them made some mistakes. Winston certainly made more but he was dropped into a horrible, almost impossible situation. Even good QBs would have done poorly in that situation. Look at how Luck played vs the Bills D; they shut down the run, they put pressure on him and he couldn’t get much of anything going.

      Definitely Tenesse fans should be optimistic. Mariota looked good, he looked ready to play. They’ve clearly worked to fit a scheme around him, put him in a situation to succeed. But the Bucs shouldn’t feel too bad either. Winston’s performance should be spread across the whole team. If they could get anything else going on offense or defense then things would have been more even. But they couldn’t and that’s nothing to do with Winston.

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      • eYeDEF

        A turnaround for sure from the off season chatter of Mariota needing time before he can be a legitimate starter and how Winston had weapons like Evans and VJ. I think having Evans back and healthy, whenever that happens, will help. But the Bucs were just pathetic outside of ASJ who is looking like he could become a pretty good pro.

        • John Parker

          Needs time huh? Hah! The ignorance strikes again! Don’t you look silly.

    • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

      I think their line will improve because MM makes everyone better around him if he is accurate and has a quick release. Last night I noticed Manning get better as soon as they quit running that KUBIAK BS and let him call the plays. The Broncos oline is mediocre at best but a good QB can mask it.

  • will

    I think this article, the game grades, and the tape on Mariota are all way too pessimistic. Do we (Titans fan here) need to ignore the media hype on NFL Network about Mariota? Yes. That doesn’t change the fact that he played a great game yesterday, and he did it as a passer. His throws were mostly short and intermediate and to the inside. This is what was open against Tampa’s cover 2, and it’s the kind of attack that best suits the Titans receivers Kendall Wright and Harry Douglas, both YAC specialists. We saw that yesterday. When Mariota went deep, as the article noted, he compelted a ball to Douglas (called back on Holding), and on the other one, Harry Douglas got tackled for an easy PI. Call that an incomplete if you want, but the Titans got the first down. That’s out of Mariota’s hands.

    In regards to Mariota not showing off the deep ball: he never needed to. The Titans went up 21-0 in 6 minutes. After that it was ground and pound and short daggers on purpose to minimize the risk in a given game situation. You’ll probably see a lot more of the same against Joe Haden next week. Does it mean Mariota can’t throw the deep ball? Absolutely not. Turn on some Oregon film. I get the grade coming out where it does since that’s pretty mathematical, but it should come with the caveat that Mariota’s performance as a passer outplayed the 1.6, not underplayed the statline.

    Interesting that nowhere do you mention he only played 3 quarters, by the way. And that immediate jump to his ONE mistake on the day is just classless. You all sound like you’re doing this to defend your boy Luck, who was awful yesterday throwing deep. What was his grade? Oh wait, you didn’t post it on the article because you can’t contradict your own narrative. I’d love to see the big, fat, red -5 he got today. But no, you didn’t think that was a significant impact on the game, I’m sure.

    • Phil

      Completely agree with you. Love this site to death for all it’s statistics but I stopped reading these shit articals because some of these writers are so bias toward certain players it’s ridiculous. No better than the click bate articals espn or bleacher report pushes out

      • Sam Doohan

        It’s worth pointing out that PFF doesn’t really comment on the stuff they didn’t see. He didn’t throw anything really challenging last night so they can’t give him points for that. Don’t get me wrong Mariota looked just great last night, and in my estimation he’s much better then the numbers here give him credit for, but I can appreciate why PFF give him the numbers they did.

        The thing to remember – Offenses aren’t run just to get themselves a high rank here. They are run to try and win football games. If the opposing D will let you make short easy passes and move the chains then why would the OC or the QB do anything more complicated and difficult? There’s long been a maxim in football – When something is working you keep showing it to them until they prove they can stop it. And that’s what the Titans did. And the Bucs didn’t have an answer. They let Mariota make short, easy throws all day long, surrendered lots of YAC and couldn’t stop the run either.

        Maybe some long, touch passes into double coverage would get Mariota a better PFF grade but the Titan’s didn’t need to do that to win so they kept it simple and walked off with an impressive victory. That doesn’t mean Mariota is any less talented, not at all. It shows he’s smart and can play to the situation and won’t throw a risky pass that could potentially lose the game when a safe, short pass will get the job done.

        • MajorMule

          Precisely correct.
          Chill out. It was one game. Forget the stats. MM threw perfect balls that were caught and extra yards made. What mattered was the intangibles…poise, leadership and natural skill (read quick release with accuracy). Has to make Titan fans happy. Enjoy the long road to the playoffs and maybe the big one.

        • MajorMule

          Precisely correct.
          Chill out. It was one game. Forget the stats. MM threw perfect balls that were caught and extra yards made. What mattered was the intangibles…poise, leadership and natural skill (read quick release with accuracy). Has to make Titan fans happy. Enjoy the long road to the playoffs and maybe the big one.

        • MajorMule

          Precisely correct.
          Chill out. It was one game. Forget the stats. MM threw perfect balls that were caught and extra yards made. What mattered was the intangibles…poise, leadership and natural skill (read quick release with accuracy). Has to make Titan fans happy. Enjoy the long road to the playoffs and maybe the big one.

        • MajorMule

          Precisely correct.
          Chill out. It was one game. Forget the stats. MM threw perfect balls that were caught and extra yards made. What mattered was the intangibles…poise, leadership and natural skill (read quick release with accuracy). Has to make Titan fans happy. Enjoy the long road to the playoffs and maybe the big one.

      • NP_Truth

        This is a silly comment, these articles fit their grading system and point out facts.

        He did not throw the ball down the field and did nearly throw an interception. This article was very in favor of him and was factual.

        It not being homer enough for Titans fans is not a reasonable complaint

    • Nathan Reeve

      You are exactly right. Everyone seems to either say this game meant nothing or everything. I’m not sure why everyone is just picking an extreme.

    • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

      Pats fan here and I am so glad to finally see a future QB who can dethrone Luck and the sorry Colts in the AFC South. I like your weapons around Mariota and can envision him becoming the next ARod. Seriously, I had doubts about this kid being an NFL QB but after watching him in preseason and tape on him I am truly impressed and will be the first to admit that I was wrong about him. HECK, he not only hasnt had to show off his arm but he hasnt used his legs yet either. It is going to be exciting to watch him grow into a leader and blossom into an NFL great… SIncerely, Pats fan

    • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

      Pats fan here and I am so glad to finally see a future QB who can dethrone Luck and the sorry Colts in the AFC South. I like your weapons around Mariota and can envision him becoming the next ARod. Seriously, I had doubts about this kid being an NFL QB but after watching him in preseason and tape on him I am truly impressed and will be the first to admit that I was wrong about him. HECK, he not only hasnt had to show off his arm but he hasnt used his legs yet either. It is going to be exciting to watch him grow into a leader and blossom into an NFL great… SIncerely, Pats fan

    • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

      Pats fan here and I am so glad to finally see a future QB who can dethrone Luck and the sorry Colts in the AFC South. I like your weapons around Mariota and can envision him becoming the next ARod. Seriously, I had doubts about this kid being an NFL QB but after watching him in preseason and tape on him I am truly impressed and will be the first to admit that I was wrong about him. HECK, he not only hasnt had to show off his arm but he hasnt used his legs yet either. It is going to be exciting to watch him grow into a leader and blossom into an NFL great… SIncerely, Pats fan

    • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

      Pats fan here and I am so glad to finally see a future QB who can dethrone Luck and the sorry Colts in the AFC South. I like your weapons around Mariota and can envision him becoming the next ARod. Seriously, I had doubts about this kid being an NFL QB but after watching him in preseason and tape on him I am truly impressed and will be the first to admit that I was wrong about him. HECK, he not only hasnt had to show off his arm but he hasnt used his legs yet either. It is going to be exciting to watch him grow into a leader and blossom into an NFL great… SIncerely, Pats fan

    • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

      Pats fan here and I am so glad to finally see a future QB who can dethrone Luck and the sorry Colts in the AFC South. I like your weapons around Mariota and can envision him becoming the next ARod. Seriously, I had doubts about this kid being an NFL QB but after watching him in preseason and tape on him I am truly impressed and will be the first to admit that I was wrong about him. HECK, he not only hasnt had to show off his arm but he hasnt used his legs yet either. It is going to be exciting to watch him grow into a leader and blossom into an NFL great… SIncerely, Pats fan

    • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

      Pats fan here and I am so glad to finally see a future QB who can dethrone Luck and the sorry Colts in the AFC South. I like your weapons around Mariota and can envision him becoming the next ARod. Seriously, I had doubts about this kid being an NFL QB but after watching him in preseason and tape on him I am truly impressed and will be the first to admit that I was wrong about him. HECK, he not only hasnt had to show off his arm but he hasnt used his legs yet either. It is going to be exciting to watch him grow into a leader and blossom into an NFL great… SIncerely, Pats fan

    • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

      Pats fan here and I am so glad to finally see a future QB who can dethrone Luck and the sorry Colts in the AFC South. I like your weapons around Mariota and can envision him becoming the next ARod. Seriously, I had doubts about this kid being an NFL QB but after watching him in preseason and tape on him I am truly impressed and will be the first to admit that I was wrong about him. HECK, he not only hasnt had to show off his arm but he hasnt used his legs yet either. It is going to be exciting to watch him grow into a leader and blossom into an NFL great… SIncerely, Pats fan

    • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

      Pats fan here and I am so glad to finally see a future QB who can dethrone Luck and the sorry Colts in the AFC South. I like your weapons around Mariota and can envision him becoming the next ARod. Seriously, I had doubts about this kid being an NFL QB but after watching him in preseason and tape on him I am truly impressed and will be the first to admit that I was wrong about him. HECK, he not only hasnt had to show off his arm but he hasnt used his legs yet either. It is going to be exciting to watch him grow into a leader and blossom into an NFL great… SIncerely, Pats fan

    • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

      Pats fan here and I am so glad to finally see a future QB who can dethrone Luck and the sorry Colts in the AFC South. I like your weapons around Mariota and can envision him becoming the next ARod. Seriously, I had doubts about this kid being an NFL QB but after watching him in preseason and tape on him I am truly impressed and will be the first to admit that I was wrong about him. HECK, he not only hasnt had to show off his arm but he hasnt used his legs yet either. It is going to be exciting to watch him grow into a leader and blossom into an NFL great… SIncerely, Pats fan

    • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

      Pats fan here and I am so glad to finally see a future QB who can dethrone Luck and the sorry Colts in the AFC South. I like your weapons around Mariota and can envision him becoming the next ARod. Seriously, I had doubts about this kid being an NFL QB but after watching him in preseason and tape on him I am truly impressed and will be the first to admit that I was wrong about him. HECK, he not only hasnt had to show off his arm but he hasnt used his legs yet either. It is going to be exciting to watch him grow into a leader and blossom into an NFL great… SIncerely, Pats fan

    • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

      Pats fan here and I am so glad to finally see a future QB who can dethrone Luck and the sorry Colts in the AFC South. I like your weapons around Mariota and can envision him becoming the next ARod. Seriously, I had doubts about this kid being an NFL QB but after watching him in preseason and tape on him I am truly impressed and will be the first to admit that I was wrong about him. HECK, he not only hasnt had to show off his arm but he hasnt used his legs yet either. It is going to be exciting to watch him grow into a leader and blossom into an NFL great… SIncerely, Pats fan

  • Jaguars28

    The only reason I’m not excited over his debut is because he’s in our division.

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  • Julie Crenshaw

    Whatever…….. Mariota OROY book it!

  • AJ

    I agree with this article. Mariota did play well, but in order to understand the full picture, distinction needs to be made between good quarterbacking and good play-calling.

    Just an example: that touchdown after the play action pass is good play calling, not necessarily a reflection of great quarterbacking. That play is designed to get that receiver open. Mariota didn’t really need to make a difficult throw or make a tough read. His instructions on that play were simply to do the play action, then look up to find that open receiver and give him the ball.

    He did his part well, but the coaching/play-calling was a bigger factor than quarterback play. Generally speaking, I thing coaching/play-calling is the most overlooked aspect of the game when people are trying to analyze.

    • AJ

      *I think, not I thing

    • Jonathan

      I think that doesn’t give him enough credit for his specific skills that allow that play to work. His quick release made that play, as well as leading Wright into a perfect spot (which was more important on plays other than that one.) Byron Leftwich, for example, could never have made that play because the safety would have responded to his windup and at least tackled Wright. Also, his feet weren’t set which adds to the degree of difficulty further, and I would argue that for the play to work, he can’t reset his feet.

    • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

      That is BS. So what u are basically claiming is that any QB can be successful when the right play is called. It is more about reading and reacting not play calling. Yes, rookies have less opportunity to use their instinct than a veteran QB does but it comes down to execution.

  • crosseyedlemon

    As a Bears fan I feel bad for Lovie Smith. Pretty embarrassing when a rookie quarterback torches your defense like that in his first NFL start.

  • gomer_rs

    Pretty sure Mariota doesn’t have any control over what passes are called back on penalty, and maybe they didn’t throw deep because their line can’t block through those routes, hence the penalties, and isn’t a knock on Mariota at all.

    • eYeDEF

      It doesn’t matter if a play is called back on penalty. PFF only grades his performance in isolation. Those throws are still counted in PFF’s tally.

      • Will

        except that they’re counted incorrectly. Mariota’s deep attempt to harry douglas was charted as an incompletion even though for Mariota in isolation, the PI on the Bucs was irrelevant. That ends up as a deep incompletion instead of a deep completion. That’s why I said what I said about the 1.6 number. If your charts and formulas get you to 1.6, then fine. Just don’t publish an article saying that 1.6 is too high when in fact, it’s really too low considering how any reasonable fan would evaluate his play. Mariota had one throw in the entire game that was incomplete for reasons that were in his control. So what did they do? They gif’d that and said it was representative of his day. 1 out of 16. That’s indefensible. That’s biased. I have no problem with their math or their rating, as long as it comes with the caveat that it wasn’t reflective of the game situation. What I have a problem with is the clearly biased criticisms coming from this analyst.

        • eYeDEF

          If it was charted as an incompletion when the receiver had a chance at the ball then you should tell them. But you should wait to look at All 22 yourself and re-check after they make their adjustments before doing that. TBH, I’m not seeing the bias. Quite the opposite I’m seeing a lot of praise for Mariota and unlike you, I don’t see the problem of pointing out that his perfect passer rating was as much a function of Tampa’s defense as it was his play. You can say that’s bias, but it’s not. It’s a fact that Tampa’s defense sucks and their coverage was soft. So 1.6 might have been too high to get a good sense of his play given the jello D he was playing. That’s completely reasonable, and it’s why there’s an entire season of games to get a larger sample size for more accurate evaluation.

          But even against such a soft D he still threw a pick that was an unforced error on his part. I’m sure that damaged his final score significantly and justified the 1.6.

          But acting all butthurt because of your conspiratorial claim about pushing Andrew Luck is really laughable seeing how in their pre-season ranking of the top 12 quarterbacks Andrew Luck was left off the list and and they caught constant grief from butthurt Colt fans. I guess if you don’t read PFF outside of how it relates to your team you wouldn’t know that, but if you’re going to accuse them of deliberate bias to favor a specific player, you should feel some obligation to ensure the accusations you’re leveling are not absurd.

          • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

            The thing is tho Brady almost throws an INT in the first half almost every single game I have watched since he came into the league(some are INTs) and then he settles in. That almost INT shouldnt matter.

          • eYeDEF

            There is no ‘almost’ INT when PFF tallies their grades. If a pass bounces off a defender’s hands, it was graded as a pick thrown by the QB. They’re trying to grade his performance independent of how well or poorly an opposing DB plays. Throws are graded on their difficulty. So when you bring up Brady I bet in the games where he scores higher you’ll find him making significantly more difficult throws. The Patriots offensive scheme is one of the most complicated in the league, and even though he doesn’t throw deep so much anymore he does throw a lot of short and intermediate timing routes that require precision anticipation, throwing to Edelman before he makes his breaks. I didn’t see that from Mariota because it was his first game, I expect he’ll improve but Wisenhunt wisely kept it simple and familiar for him for now.

        • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

          Did he complete those 20+ yarders that were called back? Just curious

  • Nura

    The fact that 50% of his yards came after the catch illustrate how accurate he is, and how great his ball placement is. All those times Kendall wright had to reach behind him or fall down to make a catch with jake locker throwing the ball are now accurate passes with yard after catch potential. Don’t discount the kid because he is putting his receivers in a position to succeed after the catch.

    • http://www.yardpenalty.com yardpenalty

      Brady-esque

  • Justin

    This article is correct… MM played well but it was against the worst team in the NFL. I am not crowning MM as the 2nd coming quit yet, as a rookie he will have extreme variances in he performances week to week. But it was a great start to what should be a solid career in the NFL

  • Scott West

    This distinction between “short” and “long” passes is basically a terrible way to evaluate quarterbacks. 10 yards nets you a first down in this league, and if you consistently get 1st downs you will score a lot of points. Any qb who can take care of the ball and keep the offense on schedule is an excellent qb. At one point Brady got first downs on 12 of 13 passes, 3 of which were touchdowns; all of those passes were “short”, but he could not have been more effective in that stretch.

    The problem with PFF is grading passes on an almost artistic scale of quality; this isn’t figure skating. The grades need to be based on effectiveness. Mariota showed every tool you want from an NFL quarterback, good balance, quick feet, getting the offense in the right play, decisiveness, strong arm, accuracy, and reading the defense. Of course he has a lot to prove still after only one game, but he played the role given to him nearly perfectly. His grade doesn’t reflect that, which shows a weakness in the grading system, not him.

    • eYeDEF

      Not true. In traditional stats YPA is the most evaluative single metric by which to judge a QB. If you check out the YPA leaders every year it’s reflective of the whose who of the best in the game.

      Don’t worry though, even though he didn’t throw any deep passes he still averaged 13.06 yards per attempt, which is ridiculous.

      • Jonathan

        YPA though, is a function both of accuracy and yardage, which is why it is so much better than YPC. So Brady has a pretty good YPA because, while he throws short, he completes everything. Mariota could do the same thing. My main issue is that in the eyes of the grading system, setting up your receivers for YAC is not a skill, when it definitely is. There should be some bonus or something for throwing a guy into yardage he would not have gotten unless you put the ball in that spot.

        • eYeDEF

          I’m not sure if that is true because there is a penalty for throwing a completion that isn’t on mark, like throwing behind the receiver or putting him in a poor position to make the grab or get YAC. So throwing to the best spot where a receiver can catch it will be graded on the difficulty of the throw. If it’s an easy throw, it might be “setting them up”, but it was still an easy throw and where it was expected he should be able to throw the ball. So will be graded accordingly.

      • John Parker

        YPA is not a great metric to judge a QB. Going by your logic, last year Kirk Cousins was a better QB than Roethlisberger, Manning, Luck, Wilson, Brees, and Rivers, which simply isn’t true.

        TD to INT ratio and completion percentage are a much more significant indicator of performance.

        • eYeDEF

          Hardly. Kirk Cousins only started 5 games last year. You can’t take a guy with such a small sample size of games and compare him to a full season starter. Any metric would require a full season of games to be comparatively evaluative, including your vaunted TD to INT ratio. Completion percentage is a terrible metric to evaluate high level quarterback play.

          • John Parker

            TD to INT ratio is significant of intelligent decision making with the football, so it’s hardly a vaunted metric unlike your YPA.

            How exactly is completion percentage terrible for high level of play? Are you actually trying to say guys like Manning who barely scratch 60% are better than a Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers who are well above 60%? Please….

          • eYeDEF

            LOL, you’re the one that cited a guy with five starts to his name last year as your central justification for shooting down YPA. I take it you’ve never taken a stat class to think you can read anything into the numbers of a guy with 5 starts and compare it to guys with 16 starts. It’s hilarious. I also take it you’re pretty new to football stats or you’d be aware of the value of YPA in traditional stats. All traditional stats are flawed and won’t be as precise as their advanced counterparts, which is why I took care to point out that YPA is a traditional stat. But one thing YPA has going for it is that over the course of an entire season and multiple seasons, you won’t see false positives like you do with other metrics. It’s really hard to fake high YPA. It’s not going to be precise when we’re talking about a difference in a tenth to a half a yard when ranking top guys, but no traditional stat is. That’s why there are the far more predictive and accurate advanced metrics of AY/A and ANY/A which is derived FROM YPA. There’s a reason for that which I’m sure escapes you but one day you may figure it out for your own benefit. Regardless, my point stands, guys with high YPA are a who’s who of the best. If you don’t think Wilson belongs in that group when his efficiency numbers have always been among the best and a league wide consensus agrees he’s a top 10 quarterback, then that’s on you. It’s a shortcoming of your bias and flawed thinking.

            What’s comical is how you would criticize YPA because Wilson has ranked a few tenths of a yard better as your “false positive”, yet you would push COMPLETION PERCENTAGE and TD to INT ratio as superior metrics. Seriously? That must be some good rock you’re smoking. Note I specifically said CMP is a terrible stat for judging high level quarterback play, when I used those words it was because I wasn’t talking baseline play shithead. Everyone knows that guys that can’t hit 60% are going to be a cut below. I’m talking about completion percentage being littered with false positives at the top.

            Just look at the false positives at the top of those metrics last year. In your alternative universe, last year Tannehill was elite, a top 5 QB and Alex Smith top 10. Except neither has shown they can even throw a deep ball. When weak armed dink and dunk specialists who throw a lot of high completion bubble screens for high completion rates are graded elite by your metrics, it’s time to admit you really did a poor job thinking this through and have no idea what you’re talking about and your standards are a joke. Moreover, JAY CUTLER was 9th. Sorry but epic fail.

            Not like TD to INT ratio fares much better for you. This time it’s role reversal, it’s Alex Smith’s turn to be considered top 5 in your alternative universe and Tannehill finishes top 10. Problem is, you won’t find one sane person who considers either QB to be among the best in the game. And you’re sitting here complaining about Russell Wilson while your stats champion Alex Smith and Tannehill? ROTFLMFAO!

            Like I said, YPA is far from perfect, but among traditional stats it’s a hell of a lot more accurate in pointing out the best than your two VERY flawed metrics. Seriously kid, I advise you stop embarrassing yourself.

          • John Parker

            First of all, take a deep breath, step down from your high horse of condescension, and know that your opinion is not a fact. But, I’ll take your naive condescension as a compliment. Apparently I’m typing with a high schooler.

            Let it be known that I’m not the one who is trying to argue, “YPA is the most evaluative single metric by which to judge a QB.” Which it isn’t. There are other metrics as well, which is why they exist, no?

            “I take it you’ve never taken a stat class to think you can read anything into the numbers of a guy with 5 starts and compare it to guys with 16 starts.” —- What does taking a statistics class have to do with the topic? Try to stick to the actual line of argumentation instead of issue expanding. That’s rather naive. Also, in case you missed it, I did say there were other examples, and I provided them. I recommend you learn to “peruse” and not take a “cursory” glance, ok?

            “But one thing YPA has going for it is that over the course of an entire season and multiple seasons, you won’t see false positives like you do with other metrics.” —- False positives with other metrics? Like what? Do you actually have an example or are you blowing hot air? You actually think QBR, TD/INT ratio or completion percentage is irrelevant? That’s just asinine.

            “If you don’t think Wilson belongs in that group when his efficiency numbers have always been among the best and a league wide consensus agrees he’s a top 10 quarterback, then that’s on you. It’s a shortcoming of your bias and flawed thinking.” —- No, it’s actually your naivety. You think a guy who ranks 19th in pass attempts, and is asked to throw at least 100 times less than a Rivers, Brees, Manning or Brady belongs among them in the conversation? Seriously? You got jokes, just bad ones.

            “That must be some good rock you’re smoking. Note I specifically said CMP is a terrible stat for judging high level quarterback play, when I used those words it was because I wasn’t talking baseline play shithead.” —– The mere fact that you result to name calling means you find truth in what I’m saying. Thus, my point is valid and yours is not. Completion percentage being a “terrible stat for judging high level quarterback play” is your prerogative and opinion, it doesn’t make it a fact.

            “I’m talking about completion percentage being littered with false positives at the top.” —- I’m pretty sure you don’t know what false positive means….

            “According to CMP, last year Tannehill was elite, a top 5 QB and Alex Smith top 10. Except neither has shown they can even throw a deep ball.” —- You’re really jaded against the metric of completion percentage. Did I say it was the ONLY metric like you naively tried to argue that YPA was the ONLY metric? No. If you can find where I did, please feel free to do so. Happy hunting!!!!

            “Not like TD to INT ratio fares much better for you. This time it’s role reversal, Alex Smith becomes a top 5 guy and Tannehill finishes top 10 in your bizarro world.” —- Again you’re only focusing on one metric. I didn’t say it’s only one. Try taking some reading comprehension courses, it might actually benefit you in life. You know?

            “Seriously kid, I advise you do yourself a solid and stop embarrassing yourself.” —- Sorry junior, but the only one who has embarrassed herself is you. That’s right, herself. Because no male adult types like this, except perhaps a child, which given the facts you probably are one. Consider the following insults like, “some good rock you’re smoking,” and “shithead,” or typing things like, “GTFO!” or “epic fail,” just make you look so small in a big world.

            Grow up eYeDEF, and perhaps change your name to your actual name, and not hide behind a computer. Only a child actually switching between lower case and upper case to make a screen name. Computer tough children like you are hilarious and entertaining. Easy to hide behind a keyboard and act astute when in fact, you’re just compensating for real life.

          • eYeDEF

            “There are other metrics as well, which is why they exist, no?”

            Did I say there weren’t other metrics? Do you struggle with the idea that I’m saying if you had to use just one metric to evaluate a QB that YPA is as good as any with regards to traditional stats? Did you ever see me say that YPA should be the ONLY metric used when evaluating a QB? No, actually I pointed out how all traditional stats suck. Get it together man.

            “What does taking a statistics class have to do with the topic? Try to stick to the actual line of argumentation instead of issue expanding.”

            Because you were trying to cite a guy with a sample size of 5 starts and compare it directly with guys that had 16 starts. That’s why you would earn an F in stats. And again, your other examples that you’d point to exceptions in YPA were also QBs that didn’t have a full season sample size. You continue to demonstrate your profound ignorance in this area. The smaller the sample, the less accurate any metric is going to be. Do try and keep up. It’s really selfish of you to continue making me explain the same concepts to you over and over again.

            “You don’t have to actually be a great deep passer to have a high YPA (see Brady for details)”

            What’s your point? Mine was that we know that Alex Smith and Tannehill are not elite. Yet your metric says Tannehill is top 5. We know Brady is elite.

            “If Tannehill is such a terrible deep passer, how come his deep passing accuracy is ranked 9th”

            WAHAHAAHAHAHA. When you have to blatantly lie about what the stats show, it exposes how your point is so weak that you have to misrepresent the facts to even have a point. Like I said, you live in an alternative universe. Last year Tannehill was ranked 13th, not 9th, with a deep ball accuracy of 37%.

            “You think a guy who ranks 19th in pass attempts, and is asked to throw at least 100 times less than a Rivers, Brees, Manning or Brady belongs among them in the conversation?”

            Absolutely, and every metric aside from attempts demonstrates he belongs. So tell me genius, which of those other quarterbacks rushed for 800+ yards last year? Once you factor in his rushing that easily makes up for having less attempts and puts his drive efficiency among the elite. His rushing is not reflected in YPA because like I said, all traditional stats suck. No single metric will give you a complete picture. But his efficiency absolutely is reflected in YPA and that’s more reflective than any other single traditional stat of how good a QB is. And again, he blows away your boy Tannehill.

            “Except in your “bizarro world” Tony Romo is the best QB and Fitzpatrick is in the top five”

            And this is why you keep proving you need to take a stat class. You can’t compare a guy with 12 starts to a guy with a full season of starts. You can’t cut out 25% of the sample size and expect to have a comparatively evaluative measure. How many times must this lesson be explained to you over and over again?

            And you demonstrate your profound ignorance to be unaware of the kind of year Romo had last year. He was most definitely elite. Far more so than your boy Tannehill.

            “Again you’re only focusing on one metric. I didn’t say it’s only one.”

            That’s because I set the parameters from the start. If you had to use one measure to evaluate a QB, YPA is the most reflective among traditional stats. Now, because you keep demonstrating you have reading comprehension issues, try and digest that before requiring another explanatory lesson from me.

            It’s clear that you were so embarrassed about bringing up stats like CMP and TD to INT ratio as better metrics that now you’re trying to backtrack and say you weren’t saying they were the only ones. Well no shit they’re not the only metrics, but you were trying to assert those as better metrics than YPA. So what’s your point?

            You’re right about one thing, I did overestimate you by thinking you were a kid. Now you’ve admitted that you’re an adult who is feeling pretty inadequate from getting schooled by a kid. That’s even worse. Like I said, take a stat class. It could really do you some good.

          • John Parker

            “Did I say there weren’t other metrics?…. Did you ever see me say that YPA should be the ONLY metric used when evaluating a QB?”
            —- “YPA is the most evaluative single metric by which to judge a QB.” Funny, I guess you’re not good at understanding your own argument, let alone articulating one. You do understand
            that your statement negates the possibility of other metrics being considered, right? Grammar school awaits you my juvenile friend!

            “That’s why you would earn an F in stats.”
            — You’re so cute. I’m pretty sure you don’t even know
            what statistics is.

            “And again, your other examples that you’d point to
            exceptions in YPA were also QBs that didn’t have a full season sample size.”
            — Who didn’t have a full season? Try again, thanks for
            playing! Oh, and Fitzpatrick missing four games isn’t as significant as you think it is, but that’s why you don’t understand statistics! It’s not statistically significant.

            “The smaller the sample, the less accurate any metric is going to be. Do try and keep up.”
            — I guess you don’t know what statistical significance is kiddo. Do try and actually learn something in life, ok?

            “It’s really selfish of you to continue making me explain
            the same concepts to you over and over again.”
            — It’s a fact. You are definitely a child. You don’t
            even understand the denotation of selfish. Hilarious!

            “What’s your point?”
            — I made it, you missed it. Reading comprehension is not
            your strong suit if you have to ask….

            “WAHAHAAHAHAHA. When you have to blatantly lie about what the stats show, it exposes how your point is so weak that you have to misrepresent the facts to even have a point. Like I said, you live in an alternative universe. Last year Tannehill was ranked 13th, not 9th, with a deep ball accuracy of 37%.”
            — Sorry, I got lost with you typing in caps like the little fairy princess you are. You obviously didn’t have a point or any facts, just your opinion. Oh, and he’s ranked 9th, it’s ok to be wrong baby.

            “Absolutely, and every metric aside from attempts
            demonstrates he belongs.”
            — Ironic coming from the child who wrote, “The smaller
            the sample, the less accurate any metric is going to be.” Do try to actually be consistent with your argumentation. Ok?

            “So tell me genius, which of those other quarterbacks
            rushed for 800+ yards last year? Once you factor in his rushing that easily makes up for having less attempts and plants him firmly among the elite.”
            — The focus is on passing, not rushing. Try to keep up kiddo!
            Oh wait, I forgot, you can’t…

            “And this is why you keep proving you need to take a stat
            class. You can’t compare a guy with 12 starts to a guy with a full season of starts. You can’t cut out 25% of the sample size and expect to have a comparatively evaluative measure.”
            — No kiddo, you need to take a statistics class. Four games is not significantly different, besides, you’re willing to cut short of
            significance yourself, “Absolutely, and every metric aside from attempts demonstrates he belongs.”

            “And you demonstrate your profound ignorance to be
            unaware of the kind of year Romo had last year. He was most definitely elite and was even in MVP consideration for awhile for crying out loud.”
            — Right, and how many Super Bowls has Romo been to? And how many has he won? Right…. moving along….

            “Unlike your boy Tannehill.”
            — He’s not my boy, but he might be yours one day… After you get surgery…. scary thought!

            “That’s because I set the parameters from the start.”
            —- Your parameters and your opinion. Not a fact. Stop
            trying to act superior when you aren’t, it’s really quite pathetic. You just can’t accept that there are better metrics than yours. It’s ok, you’re just not perfect.

            “It’s clear that you were so embarrassed about bringing
            up stats like CMP and TD to INT ratio as better metrics that now you’re trying to backtrack and say you weren’t saying they were the only ones.”
            — Oh look! Another word you don’t know! If someone was embarrassed, they probably wouldn’t address the issue, let alone bring up evidence to support it. I did child. You just can’t read or accept the truth. It hurts, I know, find mommy and let her know. By the way, my exact quote was, “Did I say
            it was the ONLY metric like you naively tried to argue that YPA as the ONLY metric? No.” And guess what? You actually couldn’t find that. How sad.

            “So what’s your point?”
            — I made it. You missed it. You need to learn to read.

            “You’re right about one thing, I did overestimate you by
            thinking you were a kid. Now you’ve admitted that you’re an adult who is feeling pretty inadequate from getting schooled by a kid. That’s even worse. Like I said, take a stat class. It could really do you some good.”
            — Inadequate from proving a child wrong? Nope, I feel
            just fine. I think it’s quite hilarious to read and easily disprove your points, while you only counter with pugnacious rhetoric instead of an actual argument.

            I thoroughly enjoy how you still hide with your juvenile
            screen name. It just further proves that you little girls don’t have the mental aptitude to engage in a constructive conversation and actually admit when you lose. Enjoy playing the roll of the computer tough girl. Please, write me back
            sweetie! I thoroughly enjoy our chats!

          • eYeDEF

            “Read it and weep. Funny, I guess you’re not good at understanding your own argument, let alone articulating one. You do understand that your statement negates the possibility of other metrics being considered, right?”

            I’m reading it which is why I’m laughing at you clowning yourself because there it is, point blank, telling you that it’s the best single metric. So what that means is exactly what I said, if you’re going to use one single metric, it’s the most evaluative. Wow you’re dense.

            “You’re so cute. I’m pretty sure you don’t even knowwhat statistics is.”

            So says the guy who was claiming 5 starts by Kirk Cousins is statistically significant. WAHAHAHAHAHHA. Problem is you have no credibility.

            “Try again, thanks forplaying! Oh, and Fitzpatrick missing four games isn’t as significant as you think it is, but that’s why you don’t understand statistics! It’s not statistically significant.”

            WAHAHAHHAHA. Ok, you’ve just proven here that you are a complete imbecile. If you weren’t, you would know that 25% of a sample size is STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT you fucking blithering tool. Stop trying to pretend like you know what you’re talking about.

            “I guess you don’t know what statistical significance is kiddo. Do try and actually learn something in life, ok?”

            You’re the one that keeps demonstrating that you don’t even understand the terms you’re using and got schooled by a kid. You need to go down to your local community college and enroll in a stat class.

            “– No kiddo, you need to take a statistics class. Four games is not significantly different. Try to focus on significance yourself, “Absolutely, and every metric aside from attempts demonstrates he belongs.”

            Again, you are a fucking idiot. When there are only 16 games in a season, 4 games ABSOLUTELY IS statistically significant. But it’s not even the number of games numbnuts. If you understood stats you would know that 25% of the games represented is ABOVE AND BEYOND STATISTICAL SIGNIFICANCE! Damn you’re dumb, and you’re selfish as fuck making me have to explain this to your mentally challenged ass.

            As a scientific practice, 5% is normally the standard set to meet statistical significance even though that percentage can be far less depending on the data set. Do I need to explain to you that 25% is five times 5% and MORE THAN QUALIFIES for statistical significance? You are wrong, and you’re just too uneducated to recognize you’re wrong. That’s not your fault, you were born with a low aptitude. But your attitude is all fucked up. Instead of recognizing your shortcomings and using what’s known as THE INTERNET to try and enrich your brain, you make stupid anti-factual statements while trying to PRETEND like you know what you’re talking about. That’s why you’re irrevocably stupid.

            I’m not even going to bother reading the rest of your post since I can already predict how factually challenged it’s going to be seeing how belligerently misinformed you are about statistics. It really doesn’t do your argument any good when you’re factually wrong to dig your heels in and insist you’re not, no matter how humiliated you’re feeling right now. You could have a little more grace and admit it, even if you are an adult that has been schooled by a kid.

          • John Parker

            Aw, you wrote me back! And it looks like you took time to do so. Sorry honey, I appreciate the attention but your diatribes and propogandist rhetoric are boring. Any other false arguments you got?

          • eYeDEF

            too long, didn’t read; like I said, take a stat class and learn what ‘statistical significance’ means. Then come back when you’ve improved.

          • John Parker

            You’re so cute! You obviously read what I wrote because you copied what I wrote. You’re such an ignorant no-name girl. Your vaunted YPA is false and you’re just upset about that. Your continued obsession with taking statistics is farcical. You should get out more baby.

          • eYeDEF

            Like I said, I simply cannot take someone seriously who has such a fundamentally poor understanding of stats and uses words that you demonstrated that you do not understand. No one would. So you shouldn’t take me not reading your posts so personally even though you so obviously are. If you had a better grasp of the subject then maybe you’d be able to recognize why CMP and TD to INT ratio are widely recognized as inferior metrics. But then again, when your aptitude is so lacking, probably not.

          • John Parker

            Aw baby, your comment is so sweet! Obviously you keep reading my posts despite your incessant denial, which makes you look so naive! But I wouldn’t expect a girl like you to comprehend such irony. Your line of argumentation is grounded in verbal assaults mixed with grammatical errors and pugnacious rhetoric which essentially renders your argument moot. But keep riding your train to Neverland and enjoy your obsession with statistics class! The world is more about socializing with actual people than spending your time behind a computer. Ok? You also might want to start using an actual name instead of a childish eYeDEF screen name. How funny!

          • eYeDEF

            LOLOL! This is actually getting kind of entertaining watching how humiliated you’re acting. Keep it up!

          • John Parker

            And there she is, back to the caps lock again, great! So much for not reading what I write huh? You’re adorable honey. I enjoy reading you write like a two year old with poor grammar. Thanks!

          • eYeDEF

            ROFL. You know, you’re never going to earn back any respect until you actually prove you know something. That’s why I’m saying you need to go back to school and come back when you’ve improved. Sitting there babbling like a scorned monkey isn’t going to do you any good.

          • John Parker

            Uh oh, she left her caps lock on. What a child, but she’s so cute and naive! She claims she doesn’t read comments, then continues to respond. How entertaining! Your childish screen name and antics continue to be comical. Please continue! I look forward to reading your nonsensical diatribes! Your intelligence is dropping by the moment. Remember, there’s more to life than just sitting behind a computer!

          • eYeDEF

            I really do find your whole ‘poor baby’ schtick amusing seeing how wrong you’ve been in this whole affair. I’m not going to lie. You’re acting like sour grapes.

          • John Parker

            Aw, the no name girly has run out of comebacks, huh? Well that’s what happens when you lack intellectual capability. You’re so cute baby. It’s ok to be wrong, but of course a little girl like you who lacks integrity wouldn’t know that…. Pathetic. Anything else you got honey? I really like reading your juvenile diatribes! Please continue!

          • eYeDEF

            lol! Now you’re just acting like a sore loser. It’s still quite amusing all the same. BTW, ad hom is the final refuge of losers who are incapable of making a rational argument. So it fits you like a glove.

          • John Parker

            Aw, she didn’t use caps this time. What’s wrong baby? I guess you were afraid of being mocked for using “LOL” so you went back to your childish “LoL.” Like your name, eYeDEF. You really are quite the mentally challenged child. That’s funny! You still read comments when you say you don’t, and you still reply with the same irrelevant remarks. The ignorance and hypocrisy are beyond measure.

            Honey, you do know it’s “ad hominem” not “ad hom,” right? And I’m not resorting to personal attacks, the truth is not a personal attack. Sorry you can’t decipher the difference. But speaking of personal attacks, you do realize you were the first to submit to such a juvenile level of argumentation, which immediately invalidated every subsequent argument. Perhaps you need better reading comprehension?

            You are in serious repudiation about your vaunted YPA…

          • eYeDEF

            What are you babbling on about now? Ah yeah, still reeling over getting pwned I see. Let this be a lesson to you against acting like a poser and trying to argue beyond your depth. Don’t get pissy at me for calling you out, I was just the messenger. The failure was all you.

          • John Parker

            Aw how sweet! She continues to have a temper tantrum and read posts. Very entertaining! Must be that time of the month. Make sure you stock up on tampons, ok? Did you really just write “pwned”? That’s incredibly hilarious! You continue to fabricate words from your imaginary world. Wow, she contines to use vocabulary she doesn’t comprehend like “poser” and writes slang words like pissy. How naive. The idiocy continues to reach new levels. She’s really upset about her vaunted YPA. it’s becoming really unhealthy. Poor baby.

          • eYeDEF

            Actually I love watching you vacillate between losing your shit in one moment while trying so hard to contrive your ‘poor baby’ schtick the next. It’s infinitely amusing to watch you work so hard to try and get under my skin because deep down inside you know I pwned you. So yeah, it’s fun to read your posts now that you’re writing for my entertainment. I just wasn’t going to read drivel where you tried to make sense of a subject that was so obviously beyond your grasp. That would have been pointless and a waste of my time.

          • John Parker

            Aw, adorable diatribe no name coward. Another word you don’t know, vacillate! Trying to use big words now, huh? Baby, your attempt at using big words when you don’t know what they mean is hilarious! I enjoy the diatribes. But it’s clear you definitely need a lot of tampons this month. If you truly comprehended big words, you would know the depth of ignorance and lack of education you utterly lack. I love how you attempt to seem intelligence but your continued grammatical errors and misuse of vocabulary prove otherwise. So entertaining! If you truly knew the word vacillate, you would be more than aware that perfectly describes you, not me. I’ve actually been pretty calm while you “vacillate” between your childish outbursts of “ROFL” and attempts at sounding educated. You’re probably bipolar.

            Wait, so I’m your source of entertainment? Honey, you are one lonely individual. Want to talk about it? Don’t have any friends? That’s why you can’t live behind a computer baby. Go out and socialize. Experience the real world! As far as trying to bother you, apparently it does or otherwise you wouldn’t keep responding. How ironic!

            Let’s see now, you’ve been in denial for about 18 days and counting, which is extremely pathetic. But please continue!

          • eYeDEF

            You know, you’re the one that came to an advanced stat website and thought you could fake your way through arguing about a topic that you have no understanding of. You were the one that first even brought up the term ‘statistical significance’, it’s right there in the history, so you got predictably shellacked for trying to use a term you didn’t understand, and very deservedly so. All the other smack you’re talking now is so transparently about you acting like a sore loser, it’d be evident to anyone objectively reading this dialog. So I’m not sure exactly what you’re trying to prove. You’ve already admitted you’re an adult while proving you’re very good at acting like a small child. There’s nothing else for you to prove here. You got in above your head and got predictably smacked down. You should try taking your medicine like a man your age would. That starts by acting your age.

          • John Parker

            Well that didn’t take long at all! Thanks for proving my point nameless coward with the cartoon photo! You’re very transparent. So many grammar mistakes again. Obviously someone is now “vacillating” between their emotional outburst and attempt to sound logical again. Get those tampons ready baby!

            Day 19 of repudiation about your vaunted YPA and counting… You lack substantive points to argue which is why you’ve resorted to such ad hominem attacks.

          • eYeDEF

            The hilarious thing is that you won’t be able to find one post where I’ve ever had an emotional outburst. I’ve been logical and consistent in every post I’ve made in this thread because that’s naturally the way I am. But just a cursory glance through your post history on this thread is littered with emotional outbursts and proves my point; all you’ve done after getting schooled by me is act like a sore loser. The proof is all there and there’s really no disputing it. You should try and act with a little more class and grace, you’re supposed to be an adult.

          • John Parker

            Thanks for continuing to prove my point nameless coward with the cartoon photo!

            Day 20 of repudiation about your vaunted YPA and counting… You lack substantive points to argue which is why you’ve resorted to such ad hominem attacks.

          • eYeDEF

            What’s bizarre is how impressed you are with the word ‘vacillate’ that you keep repeating it and even referred to it as a ‘big word’. FYI, it’s really not a big word. I’ve known what its meant since prepping for my PSATs 7 years ago when I was in the eighth grade. Most kids my age are far more precocious than it sounds like you were when you were my age. So why don’t you show a little gratitude towards me for having helped you expand both your vocabulary and understanding of stats? Because you lack basic class.

          • John Parker

            Aw, she keeps proving my point! Keep it going nameless coward with the cartoon photo. You’re doing great baby! She continues to try so hard to write intelligibly. She even brought out her SAT dictionary to help her, but too bad she doesn’t comprehend their denotation… How ironic!

            Day 21 of repudiation about your vaunted YPA and counting… You lack substantive points to argue which is why you’ve resorted to such ad hominem attacks.

          • eYeDEF

            It’s weird how you keep repeating yourself about having proven some obscure point that was never made clear. This is why I find you so entertaining. It’s like you really enjoy proving points to yourself and running yourself around in circles. It’s flattering that you think I ‘fabricated’ words like ‘clowning’ and ‘pwned’, but I have to admit I didn’t invent those words. Your highly limited vocabulary is responsible for your mistake.

            And don’t forget, you’re not qualified to talk to me about YPA because of your non-existent understanding of stats. Of course you’re not going to understand why it’s the best traditional metric, because you don’t understand the most basic tenants of the statistics it is based on. Given your knowledge I wouldn’t expect you to think any other way. That’s why I keep telling you to go take a stat class. Only after you have a better handle on the subject can you begin to grasp why YPA is important but it’s just not possible when you fail to grasp what ‘statistical significance’ is, sorry but that’s just the brutal truth. You’re trying to tackle a subject that’s simply beyond your reach and I’ve been telling you that since my VERY FIRST REPLY when you came at me with Kirk Cousins.

            You might want to consider making it easy on yourself by sticking to sites like NFL.com.

          • John Parker

            Aw, the nameless coward reverts back to her emotional diatribe. So cute! So much for not “vacillating,” huh baby? You really are bipolar. I guess you need medication along with more tampons.

            It’s a shame she doesn’t possess proper reading comprehension skills because she doesn’t even know what’s she’s proving to be true! Oh the irony, because it’s quite the conundrum to decipher what’s more pathetic: claiming that you are an adult but then calling yourself a kid, or being a kid and claiming to be an adult. That’s a tough one…

            Wow, she even continues to make basic grammatical errors, fails to comprehend advanced vocabulary, and even admits she uses fabricated words. If 8th grade was seven years ago, baby, you are in a dire situation emotionally and intellectually. That’s why your arguments are unequivocally invalid. And she continues to bring up taking a statistics class. I guess the obsession never ends with you. You are really quite the lonely individual. I’m sorry I’m your source of entertainment. You have less intellect than a down syndrome child so I don’t mind repeating the following: Get out there and enjoy the world! Don’t spend too much time behind a computer and make friends, ok? Life is about social interaction, don’t be scared!

            “…when you came at me with Kirk Cousins.” What? I came at you with Kirk Cousins? I’m sorry to inform you, and I know it’s hard to accept the truth despite living in a fantasy land, but I never took Cousins anywhere and we never met. Your mental stability is worse than I imagined… If you want to meet him, you need to travel to Landover, Maryland. You can find him there.

            Still Day 21 of repudiation about your vaunted YPA and counting… You lack substantive points to argue which is why you’ve resorted to such ad hominem attacks. I’m sure we can make it to 30 days, so keep it up honey!

          • eYeDEF

            wh0a. Hilarious. You call my calm relaying of why you aren’t qualified to discuss YPA as ’emotional’? When you have to stretch that much to mis-characterize my posts it just illustrates how weak your overall point is. Here, I’ll give you an example of an emotional diatribe:

            “Did you really just write, “You’re acting like sour grapes”? Wow… I knew you were stupid but not that stupid. You’re completely incapable of making an intelligible simile. Your ignorance is both astounding and entertaining! It’s no wonder you’re scared to use your real name. It’s to cover for your incompetence. But one shouldn’t have high expectations for such an unsophisticated child who is still stuck in denial about her vaunted YPA. How sad… Honey you need to realize that you can’t get respect since you lack integrity. Look forward to your next diatribe!”

            WAHAHAHAHHA. Like I said, your comment history is littered with them. I admit, I don’t read your posts beyond the “read more” click because you tend to be a long winded chap and I have better things to do. But I have no doubt I’m not missing out on much.

          • John Parker

            Aw, the nameless coward is back to typing like a two year old. So cute! She continues to show her ignorance about vocabulary and grammar. That’s why nothing she says can be taken seriously. And she continues to prove my point! Too funny! I’m sorry you’re bipolar, but it’s ok. Special people like you deserve special treatment. P.S. Get the super plus tampons, ok?

            Day 22 of repudiation about your vaunted YPA and counting… You lack substantive points to argue which is why you’ve resorted to such ad hominem attacks. Almost at 30 days. You can do it baby!

          • eYeDEF

            WAHAHAHAHA. I love how hot and bothered you get over my avatar. Looks like I’m getting great mileage out of it seeing how its presence alone causes you to lose your shit. Being the altruist I am I’ll even throw you a bone. It’s not just a ‘cartoon photo’ dipshit. It’s an open source linux tux icon. You should try and become more cultured because TBH, your lack of basic knowledge really explains why you get so frustrated with yourself.

          • John Parker

            There she is. There’s the nameless coward with the cartoon photo we all know! I love how you attempt to claim your cartoon photo is something more than just a cartoon. Thanks for the morning laugh! Talk about getting emotional… This is getting too predictable: excessive use of caps lock and using expletives as her defense mechanism. Ironic how she uses the
            word “cultured” in the same paragraph she writes expletives and internet slang. I guess we found another word you don’t know! I feel like I should get popcorn when I read your comments because they’re very entertaining.

            Wow baby, your continued basic grammatical mistakes have become quite an eyesore despite your meager intellect. And since you continue to embarrass yourself without any
            assistance, there’s nothing really worth responding to anymore. But don’t worry, I’ll keep track of your days in denial!

            Congrats on making it to Day 23 of repudiation about your vaunted YPA! You lack substantive points to argue which is why you’ve resorted to such ad hominem attacks.

          • eYeDEF

            I’ve definitely noticed a distinct trend. Every time I point out a gaping flaw in your reasoning or behavior in the very next post you turn around and try to accuse me of the same thing. It’s absolutely hysterical. The funny thing is that you think you’re being original in your criticism when your response is just a reflexive copycat defense mechanism. I don’t have a problem finding you a really funny person to laugh at. In fact, I enjoy getting emotional in a joyful and positive way like that. But I’m not going to lie, as your posts reveal, your ’emotional diatribes’ are not at all joyful, but instead are all about venting frustrations over your own impotency. For instance, I can’t help but enjoy the spectacle of your utterly pointless exercise of railing against my avatar in every single post.

          • John Parker

            Congrats on making it to Day 24 of repudiation about your vaunted YPA! You lack substantive points to argue which is why you’ve resorted to such ad hominem attacks. See you on Day 25!

          • eYeDEF

            What repudiation? You can’t repudiate what you fail to understand. Your inability to recognize false positives and statistical significance prevented you from properly evaluating YPA. This was something you struggled with REPEATEDLY and the proof is all archived above. You can’t blame me for choosing to no longer entertain your criticisms when I had to educate you over and over again about why your ‘repudiations’ were wrong due to your poor understanding of statistical analysis. Just to give you a sense of how wrong you were, a QB could miss ONE game in a 16 game season and that would still meet the threshold statistical significance and you were trying to argue that 4 games didn’t matter. Like I said, if you were willing to take a stat class and improve yourself I’d consider entertaining your ideas, but I just can’t do so when you haven’t proven yourself someone that should be taken seriously.

          • John Parker

            Congrats on making it to Day 26 of repudiation about your vaunted YPA! You lack substantive points to argue which is why you’ve resorted to such ad hominem attacks. See you on Day 27!

          • eYeDEF

            WAHAHAHAHA! Except there wasn’t even one bit of ad hom in my post. It was all completely factual which is why you couldn’t dispute a thing I said. Like I said before, ad hom is for those unable to mount a rational argument, which is what you’ve been about. The difference between me and you is I cite facts. You make things up claiming ‘substantive points’ when point after point fell flat because of your poor grasp and understanding of how statistical analysis works.

          • John Parker

            Congrats on making it to Day 27 of repudiation about your vaunted YPA! You lack substantive points to argue which is why you’ve resorted to such ad hominem attacks. See you on Day 28!

          • eYeDEF

            LOLOL! And with your inability to counter the superiority of YPA with anything but false positives, exposing your own ignorance in the process, you couldn’t make your admission of defeat any more clear. I feel good that my work is done here. I’ve exposed your illiteracy for what it is. But I’m going to do even better by hammering the nail in your coffin with empirical facts. Because it’s not just me. You’re trying to dispute the conventional wisdom of an entire field of advanced statistics in football because you find it too hard to admit you are wrong and ignorant on the topic.

            http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/the-importance-of-passing-yards-per-attempt/?_r=1

            Here’s Kerry Byrnes of coldhardfootballfacts.com in 2009:

            “To put it most simply, passing yards per attempt is the single most important indicator of success in all of football. The short version is this:* Teams that win the passing YPA battle almost always win the game.
            * Teams that lose the passing YPA battle almost always lose the game.
            * The winningest teams in history are typically the teams with the best passing YPA average.
            * The winningest quarterbacks in history are typically the quarterbacks with the best passing YPA average.”

            http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/pigskin-prophet-commands-sports-media-to-act/6947/

            There is plenty of analysis that backs me up:

            http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/7_1580_Best_passers_in_history%3A_Yards_Per_Attempt.html

            http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_1549_Slingshot_bikinis_and_the_great_passing_offenses.html

            http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_1549_Slingshot_bikinis_and_the_great_passing_offenses.html

            Anyone with any idea or familiarity of the subject recognizes why YPA reigns supreme among traditional stats. It’s amusing to watch you try and argue against it because it’s like witnessing a football rube disputing the validity of QB rating. This is why I know for a fact that you can’t be the sharpest tool in the drawer. If you had even a modicum of intelligence you would have researched and learned about the value of YPA on your own instead of belligerently doubling down on your own ignorance.

            So thank you for the 30 days of pure entertainment watching your denial manifest in so many different forms. The avalanche of irrefutable facts I’ve cited in this post alone renders your redundant accusations of ad hom worthless and utterly laughable in light of the empirical reality. If you took a stat class, as I recommended you should do from the start, you could come away with a healthy appreciation and better understanding of the subject and not be so baselessly ignorant in trying to challenge a fundamental axiom of NFL stats.

            So by adroitly preempting your argument I’ve comfortably made my point here and see no reason to continue reading your predictably dour responses. Thanks again for providing 30 days of good, solid fodder.

          • John Parker

            Congratulations nameless coward with the cartoon photo! You have officially made it to one month of repudiation about your vaunted YPA! You lack substantive points to argue which is why you’ve resorted to such ad hominem attacks. I’m sure you can make it to two months! Let’s keep it going!

          • John Parker

            Well that didn’t take long at all! Thanks for proving my point nameless coward with the cartoon photo! You’re very transparent. So many grammar mistakes again. Obviously someone is now “vacillating” between their emotional outburst and attempt to sound logical again. Get those tampons ready baby!

            Day 19 of repudiation about your vaunted YPA and counting… You lack substantive points to argue which is why you’ve resorted to such ad hominem attacks.

          • El81

            You’re wrong. YPA is highly regarded.

          • John Parker

            That’s unbelievably hilarious and really pathetic. You either created a new screen name or got a friend to support your naive assertion. Either way, just another nameless coward.

  • Jonathan

    I generally like PFF and think they do a good job on most things most of the time. However, I do think that they misjudge quarterback play on occasion. This is just too low a grade. He consistently made the right decisions on complex reads (the response time required to make the package plays work is underrated, as is the quickness of his release.)

    For example, the touchdown to Kendall Wright was a much more difficult throw than it looked. He didn’t have his feet set correctly and without his quick release the weak side safety could have made the play while attacking the line to stop the run. Mariota also put the ball in the perfect spot for YAC, which I don’t think is accounted for perfectly in PFF ratings.

    A lot of good quarterbacking is putting the guys you have in position to make plays, and in the Titans case, YAC is the preferred method because of who their best guys are. Mariota has such good short accuracy that he doesn’t get guys hit hard when they get the ball and doesn’t make them stop or stretch for it either. There is a difference between an okay completion and one that allows the receiver to make a play and gain more separation from a DB than otherwise.