Analysis Notebook: Week 1

Sam Monson takes a look at the Sherman vs. Peterson vs. Revis debate after all three played almost exclusively one side on opening weekend.

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Analysis Notebook: Week 1


2014-AN-WK01Football is back, and after many hours lacking sleep, it’s time to get around to the first Analysis Notebook of the season. The most interesting thing to catch my attention this week, given one of the bigger football-related stories of the offseason, was how the big three cornerbacks of the NFL fared from a schematic standpoint.

Much debate all offseason was focused on Richard Sherman vs. Patrick Peterson vs. Darrelle Revis, and while many admitted Sherman was fantastic at what the Seahawks asked him to do, they pointed out (loud and often) that he didn’t track wide receivers the way Revis had in the past and the way Peterson was doing for Arizona. If he didn’t do what they did, how could he be as good?

Revis is now with a new team in another new defensive scheme and Peterson is playing his first games with a new cornerback partner in Arizona that takes some of the pressure off him to be the one guy the team feels confident in matching up with opposing threats. The net result of this in Week 1 action was that none of the three was used to track receivers. All three players played primarily at left corner – we can finally start to analyze each player on closer to a level playing field.

Let’s take a look at how each performed in this role (and run around any other pretenders to the crown of best cornerback in football at the end).

Richard Sherman – 61 of 61 snaps on the left side

Richard Sherman has been arguably the best corner in football over the past two seasons. I say ‘arguably’ precisely because people always point to the fact that he doesn’t track receivers and stays at left cornerback (the more targeted side of the defense), guarding only whoever the opposition decides to send out to that side.

I wrote a little in the offseason here about how there is a school of thought that suggests that is actually the best thing for the defense overall. Maybe Sherman isn’t being asked to do something as tough as Peterson or Revis, but the way the Seahawks use him is actually the best thing for the defense overall.

The Green Bay game on opening day gave us a fascinating demonstration of that theory in action. The Packers decided that if Richard Sherman was going to play left corner all day then they were simply going to put their third receiver out there and write him off from the game plan.

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This is what we saw for most of that game. Sherman on an island up top against Jarrett Boykin, with Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb on the other side of the field.

You might think that renders Sherman almost useless. Sure, he’s taking away Boykin, but who was really concerned about him in the first place? What about Nelson and Cobb, two far more dangerous weapons that can still be deployed by the Packers against the weaker players in the Seattle secondary? Well, the image also shows how the Seahawks can use Sherman to cheat the coverage and help the other players out.

Here Earl Thomas is aligned showing the middle of the field closed as the single deep safety. This is one of the key reads for a quarterback pre-snap. He isn’t quite aligned dead-center of the formation, leaning to the passing strength (the side with more receivers), but when the ball is snapped he actually pedals even further to that side, leaving Sherman entirely on an island on the far side of the field.

When people talk about safety help, this is what they’re talking about. Sherman is left isolated one on one against Green Bay’s third receiver, who the Packers have essentially publicly written off by alignment all game long, and the Seahawks have been able to give safety help to the other side of the field.

The plan did well overall. Byron Maxwell got worked a little by Nelson, but despite being targeted all game long (Sherman wasn’t tested once), he didn’t allow 100 receiving yards and didn’t surrender anything longer than 16 yards. Sherman was the foundation that the Seattle game plan was based on, and it allowed the rest of the defense to limit what the Packers passing attack could do.

Patrick Peterson – 58 of 62 snaps on the left side

Last season Patrick Peterson couldn’t match Sherman’s coverage numbers (except playing at left corner, ironically), but he was asked to do more. He shadowed receivers all season, tracking a specific weapon that the defense wanted taking care of and trying to take him out of the game. The only problem was he wasn’t able to do it too often. Peterson surrendered seven touchdowns in the air last season in this role, and now with Antonio Cromartie in the defense they seem to be coming around to the idea that he may be best served sticking to one side.

Against the Chargers he did play a few snaps in different spots, but usually in specific situations, and the vast majority of his time was spent at left corner while Cromartie took the right side. As is often the case with Peterson, his performance was a mixed bag.

At 6-foot-0 and 219 pounds, Peterson is something of a freak athlete at corner, and we got to see the good side of that on this play:

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In man coverage Peterson was lined opposite Eddie Royal, who was running an end-around. Peterson read it quickly and actually outran Royal across the formation, beating him to the corner and forcing him to turn back inside where the rest of the defense crashed in around him. This is usually a banker for the offense for a good gain on the play and you very rarely see the play made by the corner originally lined up across from the receiver, at least not before a significant gain. This was Peterson the athlete at his best.

The problem sometimes with being that good an athlete is it can lead to getting sloppy or complacent with technique and fundamentals. This is where we see the bad of Peterson. Working against Keenan Allen in man coverage he tried to jam at the line only to lose control of his feet with the first step and end up coughing up a couple of yards of separation almost instantly.

This type of crossing route gets termed a ‘man beater’ precisely because you can run away from the contact of the corner, but here Allen gains all of his separation right at the start because Peterson’s technique and footwork were off.

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Darrelle Revis – 64 of 65 snaps on the left side

When Darrelle Revis was playing for the Jets he was the prototype for the tracking corner argument. In much the same way as Sherman eliminating one side of the field (or at least one receiver on that side) allows the Seahawks to roll everything to the other side, Revis was able to take away one receiver wherever he lined up, allowing the Jets to similarly cheat coverage elsewhere.

With the Patriots, at least in Week 1, there was no shadowing of receivers, and much like Peterson we saw some good and some bad from Revis. The worst of it came when he was badly beaten on a double move by Mike Wallace into the end zone only for the famous Tannehill-Wallace connection to find itself just inches off yet again and save the score.

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Even the good of Revis often owed a little to the Miami side of the ball helping him out. He broke up a pass on a hitch route intended for Wallace on 3rd-and-12 that seemed like a great play until you take a look at the replay and see how badly beaten he was to begin with until Wallace stopped working back to the ball and allowed him to regain position and break it up.

When Wallace ran at Revis who was lined up in off coverage he was able to get him turned around completely and gain a yard or two of separation. Had the ball been in the air here Revis would have been beaten for a first down and the drive continued, but it was late arriving and rather than work back to his quarterback, Wallace simply held his ground, allowing Revis to break back towards the football and save the play.

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Regardless of where your allegiance lies in this debate, there is little doubt that Sherman, Peterson and Revis are the three players that everybody looks to when they discuss the best corners in the game. Based on the first week of action each is at least now performing a similar role – sticking to one side of the defense and not tracking a receiver across the field – so the debate between the three is at least on a more level playing field.

The Pretenders:

•  Joe Haden – Remained shadowing receivers as he was last season. Beaten for a touchdown and had a bad day at the office overall, grading at -4.6 for the day.

•  Keenan Lewis – Played all but one snap at LCB. Allowed six of seven targets to be caught but for just 47 yards (and a touchdown). Graded at -0.7 overall.

•  Aqib Talib – Played all but two snaps at LCB. Was thrown at 10 times but allowed just five receptions, breaking up two passes and earning a +2.7 grade.

•  Brent Grimes – Played all but one snap at LCB. Allowed four of six targets to be caught for 29 yards and a touchdown. Graded at -0.2 overall.

 

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  • Shawn Blake

    I’ve been saying for the last three years now that Peterson is living off of hype. He is a competent CB, but the fact that the media spits it out every time Peterson is on TV, is what is driving this narrative. He was getting roasted by 2nd tier receivers last season. Golden Tate ate his lunch at Arizona. The surprising thing is that his team, internal evaluators, actually buy into his hype and gave him such a big contract. Nice post by the way, Mason.

  • Basedrum

    Grimes is better than Peterson. His only “bad” play in this game was within 10 yards to the ez matched against gronk which is not his job.

  • joe greene

    I didn’t see Keenan Lewis giving up 6 catches, i only counted 2 on 3 targets. I’m guessing they are factoring in the zone coverage when he was clearly taking the flat.

    • Izach

      Probably, funny tho usually revis gets a pass in zone coverages when it’s “not his man” but other CBs don’t get that same benefit. to their defense tho nobody truly knows the scheme/playcall. half man or hybrid zone/man concepts exist so you can never be entirely correct

  • Matthew Mullen

    Even as a Seahawks fan I don’t honestly know (or care) which one of those guys is the best, but I can’t see a good argument outside of arrogance for not keeping your corners on one side most times. Sure teams can do what Green Bay does and just take the top guy out of the picture, but then your safeties and other CB’s can adjust to deal with the #1 guy. If the other guys in the secondary don’t have to worry about switching positions on the field and remembering match-up responsibilities and can just trust that everyone is where they’re supposed to be, it makes it a ton easier on the defense as a whole. The fewer moving parts and the more scheme integrity a defense has the better. QB’s these days are so good at pre-snap diagnosis that just lining up and saying “yup, this is what we’re doing, bring it.” is very often harder for them to deal with.

    • George G. Simmonds

      It is better to track when:
      1. Your top corner is significantly better than your #2
      2. The opposition’s #1 WR is a elite WR and significantly better than their #2

      All other times leave the CB where they are. Against the Bengals the Ravens definitely should have had Jimmy Smith follow AJ Green.They didn’t and it cost them.

      • Izach

        Was about to say the thing when I read your comment, tracking is really only the best option when their are obviously mismatches between teams #1 WRs and CBs. The biggest issue with revis tracking was teams with 2 good WRs got to call any play they wanted away from him. It essentially neutralized revis not the offenses game plan. And often times they would be able to scheme their number 1 WRs catches anyways through man beater routes even with revis on him or when jets went zone

        • Anonymous

          Avid Jets fan here. And just want to show you guys the other side of the coin.

          I’ll use the Jordy Nelson example: Revis is able to shadow Nelson and cut what he did in that game in half (for argument’s sake) with no safety help.

          Now it would be Maxwell vs. Cobb with Earl Thomas over the top and your #3 corner against Boykin. Should still be a win for the defense right? It’s man concepts vs. cover 3 concepts. Yes there’s more moving parts, but the Jets proved it can work with a player like Revis. Yes they didn’t get to the Super Bowl but that had more to do with the shortcomings on offense rather then the defense getting beat. With Mark Sanchez at QB they held Brady to 14 points and Manning to 16 points in back to back weeks and then held Pittsburgh’s offense to 17 points (they scored a defensive TD)

          And in his prime, he wouldn’t have just cut Nelson’s product in half, he more often then not completely removed a player from the game. He held Calvin freaking Johnson to one catch for 13 yards. Nate Burlesson lit them up for 90 yards and a TD but they still won the game. When Revis was in his prime teams weren’t able to “scheme their #1 anything”, everything they got (which was minimal) they had to work extremely hard for.

          The list of guys he shut down between 2008 and 2011 is extremely long and many of them will be in the Hall of Fame.

          • Izach

            The problem with how your thinking is you think the the defense does better when the no#1 WR does bad, scheme wise it sounds good but only if there is a big drop off in talent from the #1 – #2 WRs. My point is it’s better to take out the QBs first option on every pass which is usually the WR on the offense righ than to track calvin to the slot and defend a 6 yd slant the Sherman shut down megatron too when they played but the team failed. It’s better to have a player defend the defensive left than a particular WR in most cases

          • Anonymous

            So are you saying Calvin Johnson is not the No. 1 option if he goes into the slot or to the right? What if the QB is left handed?

            It’s better to take out the best players not the left or right. Rodgers didn’t seem to have too much trouble throwing the Jordy the other night other then one play and even on that one, he missed Nelson who was open and Maxwell got an INT off a play he was beat. Even double covering him they couldn’t do it. What’s gonna happen what that’s Maxwell vs. Calvin? Was Jordy not an obvious mismatch? He’s their only top level receiver.

            The Jets were proof that the defense does better that way if the guy is up to it. Look at their stats from 2009. They had 1 elite player and it was Revis. Seattle’s defense is elite because they have multiple elite players (Sherman being one of them).

            Look clearly Seattle’s scheme works, but it’s because they have great players all over the field.

            Is it easier for your “weaker” corners to cover #2’s with safety help or #1’s with safety help, regardless of where they line up? The answer is #2’s. And the only way you can do that is if you have a corner who can play the likes of Calvin, AJ, Andre, Jordy, Brandon, Dez, etc without safety help. That’s what the Revis of the Jets did.

          • Anonymous

            Basically what I’m saying is yes Sherman made him not even look at his direction and that’s extremely respectful of his talent, but when you can make them not look at you (or throw at you 4-5 times a game), and you’re following the teams best receiver where ever he goes, that’s all-time great.

          • Izach

            What I’m saying is calvin having stats isn’t the same as the team doing well. Seattle understands that but most “fans” don’t. The fact you used jordy Nelson as and example of Rodgers doing well is proof, all of jordys yards were scheme driven by Seattle they basically said go ahead and throw an 8yd route every time because you can’t beat us doin that every time. Better to take away half the field than 1 player all times

      • Izach

        Jimmy smith is the #2CB

        • George G. Simmonds

          It is debatable as to whether Jimmy or Webb is the Ravens top corner. But that is moot as Webb has not played yet. Of the corners that played the last two games, Jimmy is obviously #1 and it is not at all close.

  • JERZY

    Prince Amukamara is an Elite Corner. Im not debating either

    • PedophileStateNittanyLiarz

      LOL!

    • Hannah Hayes

      Not yet, but hey, everyone can dream.

    • eYeDEF

      You’re playing fantasy football.

  • babalawo49

    how is talib a pretender he shutdown the colts singlehandedly REVIS is a flop and is a bad corner not in the elite 3

    • PedophileStateNittanyLiarz

      Before this season is over, Revis will be as done as Champ Bailey and Talib will have a Super Bowl ring.

      • Edwin Hutchins

        Yeah the SB ring wont be happening. King of postseason chokes is Manning , nice to have fantasies though

      • D_Hawk

        Let me guess. Seattle won’t win it all again this year because it is impossible to repeat, right? So when is the last time a SB loser came back to win it all the next year? I have a feeling you weren’t even born yet…

  • George G. Simmonds

    You guys going to do this week to week? Can you add Jimmy Smith to the conversation?

    • Hannah Hayes

      Who?

      • David Burton Allen

        Haha, awesome

  • guest

    Wheres desmond trufant? He got a +1.5? grade this week!

  • Revis is an ESPN invention

    No mention of the touchdown Revis actually did surrender?

    • Anonymous

      Because he actually batted the ball down and was in perfect coverage and Wallace got lucky it hit his knee and stayed up long enough for him to juggle it in. Credit to Wallace for making the play, but that’s the way the ball bounces sometimes.

  • remy_g

    vontae davis

  • Anonymous

    One thing I’d like to point about the Revis hitch example, is that it doesn’t factor in down and distance.

    When Revis was with the Jets he was notorious for this. If Wallace keeps working back to the ball right there, sure he’ll make the catch but he’d be tackled short of the first down. Revis is very cerebral and knows exactly what he’s doing. You can see in the still images the play is right at the first down sticks. If he keeps working back a few yards, Revis is willing to give up the catch knowing they’ll get off the field. If he stays where he is (like he did), Revis knows he’ll be able to make the play.

    When he did give up catches with Jets, it was exactly like this. Or he’d stay over the top of a slant instead of trying to undercut it on 3rd and long.

    Another note, Revis did give up the TD, but he batted the ball down actually and it ended up hitting Wallace’s knee. Pretty unlucky (or lucky) depending on how you look at it. I will say I’m shocked they didn’t move him around but I guess that’s how they’ll use him given that Browner (when he comes back) will only be used at RCB.

    • Izach

      Revis got beat a lot in that game, Wallace suffered from poor concentration more than once. I will say revis was smart and did play down and distance and was a good tackler for his size but he often got beat down field but QBs wouldn’t test him due to reputation IMO a lot like he packers did with Sherman in week 1 didn’t even test him due to fear. Every CB benefits from a good rep or suffers from a bad rep. Even Sherman and revis are not perfect

      • Anonymous

        By “getting beat a lot” you mean they were 2 for 5 throwing in his direction with 2 passes defended. And one of the catches was the TD where he got his hand on that too. The other was the play they described in the article. So yeah none of them are perfect obviously all players get beat. He got beat on that double move but made the angle of throw tough but using outside leverage. Maybe a bigger receiver pulls that one in but let’s not act like Mike Wallace was out there torching Revis.

        He caught 2 passes on him, one being a flukey TD.

        • Izach

          No I mean he had revis by more than few yards but QB wasn’t even looking his direction because he had already decided he wasn’t going to throw towards revis on said play. This goes for every QB revis has played since he got a reputation. Maybe I meant burned and not beat or vice versa but there are plenty of times revis isn’t in position but doesn’t get tested

          • Anonymous

            Alright and how did he get that reputation?

            https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/25/shutdown-corners-richard-sherman-v-darrelle-revis/

            Revis has done in 6 years (not including the injury year) and counting what Sherman has done for 2 seasons. You see what Revis did to Greg Jennings yesterday? 1 catch for 4 yards and he intercepted a pass too. That’s what he’s been doing since 2008.

            THAT’S shutdown. Oh and Minnesota who scored 34 points last week (AP didn’t have a great game so you can’t just blame it on that) scored 7 this week. So is that not “the team doing well?”

          • Izach

            Revis has been that good since 08, and Greg Jennings isn’t thier beat WR anymore just the veteran, Minnesota without AP is a joke, vs the rams every player was trying to stop AP it let every one else open and ap still did decent, if Moreno runs for 100+ on pats AP would have don’t slot more damage imo. But it’s woulda, coulda, shoulda, both worth debating.

          • Anonymous

            Cordarrelle Patterson is their most explosive receiver, but he only runs a couple routes off the route tree (he’s not a very polished route runner). He’s getting serious hype, but what exactly has he done as a receiver in these last 2 games. Is he really their “best” receiver? I’d say no. Most physical tools, yes. Most potential, yes. Best right now? No.

            Jennings, while older now is a lot more polished a route runner, which is likely why they decided to use Revis on him. It’s like in Baltimore, Steve Smith is old and Torrey Smith is much more explosive, but which would you categorize as their “best” receiver right now?

            Patterson has 82 receiving yards in 2 games. Jennings has 62 and just got Revis’ed for 1 catch for 4 yards yesterday.

          • Izach

            I’d almost agree with you but revis used to always cover the deep threat not a teams #1 vs a few match ups with steelers he covered Wallace not the #1 WR polished savy veteran ward, vs Pats he’d cover the 31-34 years moss as a deep threat (even tho he still got beat) not the 26-29 year old first option in welker because welker wasn’t the deep threat he was the chain mover, who a teams #1 WR isn’t really that important on a per play basis because different schemes change the way the QB looks for his WR but almost every scheme has the first option on the QBs right side since they are right handed it’s why a lot of left handed QBs don’t do well because schemes and plays are in general the entire field is made for right handers. Playing the Left CB is better than tracking the “best” WR in terms of scheme.

          • Anonymous

            Okay as a Jets fan I’ll have to inform you a little on this one.

            Moss, when Revis was covering him was very clearly the #1 option. He broke the TD record for receivers in 2007. Revis started man covering him in 2008.

            As a further example, when Moss left the Patriots, Revis started shadowing Welker.

            When the Jets played the Steelers in the regular season in 2010 (the year Pitt subsequently beat them in the AFCC game), he shadowed Hines Ward and held him to two catches. With Ward carrying some type of injury in the playoffs, they decided to use Revis on Mike Wallce and he held him to 17 yards receiving.

            You’re mistaken about Revis only covering deep threats. He covered the teams best receiver regardless of if they were a “deep threat” or a “possession receiver”. He also covered DeSeasn Jackson and held him to 2 catches also.

            People act like Revis doesn’t have speed because his game is all cerebral and about technique but go look up his 40 yard dash time.

            Fact of the matter is, when he was on the Jets, it didn’t matter who the teams #1 receiver was, Revis removed them from the game and that defensive scheme clearly worked because of his ability. It made it easier for the defense. Think about what you said before “he got beat but the QB didn’t even look in his direction”. Isn’t that what Sherman did too? Except with Revis, he didn’t even look at his #1 receiver, not his #3. That’s the difference between them.

            For you to just say “playing the left is better then tracking in terms of scheme” is just not correct and there’s no proven substance behind that. Teams win using zone schemes and man to man schemes. It all depends on personnel. If you don’t have a corner good enough to track you shouldn’t do it. If you don’t have safeties good enough to cover, you’ll struggle in zone too.

          • Izach

            I never said revis was fast you need to be to cover deep threats and again go look at the patriots offense welker was the first option more often than not but that goes to my point about if a team has multiple good WRs tracking becomes useless. Also what do you say about the jets switching revis over to other WRs mid game when it was obvious the other WR was doing better then only to start getting beat deep again?
            Also paying revis became a problem in of itself it’s why hes on his 3rd team in 3 years jets struggled because they never have good safties why revis was there. Can’t pay one guy that much when he is 1/4 of a positional group, the QB statistically is the only position teams can afford that much for long because there is only 1 starter. Revis was good was a bit over hyped but very good just like Sherman

          • Anonymous

            Seattle just invested $24 million a year in their safety and corner. It worked for them.

            Also, to say “tracking was useless” is just wrong again. It wasn’t useless for the Jets because they won. They beat Brady first, then Manning. Again they didn’t win the SB but that was because Sanchez never developed like Wilson did. Seattle literally followed that same exact formula the Jets were on, expect they did a better job hitting on their QB then the Jets did and they run different concepts on defense. But the idea was “play great defense, run the ball”. The Jets defense was still elite. They stopped high powered offenses so clearly the scheme worked.

            Again Welker was their possession receiver but Moss was their first option until they cut him. Then he started tracking Welker and they beat them in New England in the playoffs. That’s far from useless.

            He’s on his third team in 3 years because he first got injured, and then the Bucs were so awful it made much more sense to distribute that money to more players to get more help. You only pay a corner that kind of money if you’re contending. Hence why Sherman, Talib, and Revis got paid this year.

          • Izach

            The back and forth has got boring, revis is good but over hyped, Sherman is good but over hyped, jets had a good not great defense every year revis was there, the hawks have a great defense even if multiple players left their scheme keeps the defense intact, they have DL, LB, and DBs and have drafted well to replace any piece that leaves, there is a HUGE difference between what the jets were/are and what they Seahawks have become. The jets had their best year the year revis fans always say “he wasn’t healthy” in 2010 when he missed games and played on pulled hammy, after he got mossed by moss. I’m not saying revis is bad just his contributions to a team don’t equal what he brings to the team same with any CB who makes over 10 mill.

          • Anonymous

            Again wrong, the Jets best year defensively was when Revis had his best year in 2009, not 2010. They made the AFCC Game that year as well. Here’s the stats.

            Compare Jets 2009 stats to Seattle’s 2013.

            Jets 2009:

            http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense/year/2009

            Seattle 2013:

            http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense/year/2013

            I think that shows it’s pretty clear that tracking wasn’t “useless”. In fact the Jets statistically were better in 2009 on defense then Seattle was this year by a good 300 yards. So it’s not a “HUGE” difference defensively from where Seattle is now. Does that mean according to you Seattle has a “good not great” defense as well? And they didn’t have elite pass rushers, elite safeties, and good linebackers. The difference between 2009 Jets and 2013 Seahawks is they have Marshawn and Wilson.

            I think we’re in agreement that they’re both great corners, but where we don’t agree is thinking Revis is overhyped.

            Thanks for the debate.

          • Izach

            Was referring to games won they were 11-5 in 2010 and with revis not at 100% with him they were 9-7 and won All 4 games without that he missed, and actually did better in those games. Yards isn’t what makes a defense great. It’s their play on he field. In 09 jets lost 7games let 14.8 points in 2013 Seahawks let 14.4. That makes them better in category but watch the games and you’ll see what I’m talkin about more look up before and after season strength of schedule as well. I don’t deny lynch and Wilson were better than shone and Sanchez the Seahawks in general are better. Revis is over rated simply by being a CB he is ony 1/4 of the secondary no matter how you try to break it down and even less in nickle and done packages and only 1/11 of the defense on any play EVER! It’s ok your a jets fan you hunk revis was god, I’m a steelers fan I think the same about Troy P to some extent it’s ok to be a fan bro. Just relax and understand it’s a game.

          • Anonymous

            Listen I’m completely relaxed. I’m just pointing out to you that your stats are misinformed. It’s a forum for debate. If we’re gonna debate we should all be working with what is fact, which is what I was pointing out to you. You said their defense was best in 2010, it clearly was not. Don’t you think part of the reason why is that he didn’t play some games or played some games hurt? He only missed 3 games by the way not 4. Their overall team was best that year, but that’s because they added some good players on offense (Santonio, last good year of LT, Braylon for a full season, Cromartie on defense).

            Okay so you’re going to argue with me over .4 points per game to “prove” Seattle’s defense was better this season then the Jets 09 team? Then I’ll counter argue that by saying the Jets offense that year let the other team’s defense score 7 touchdowns. That’s 49 points the defense didn’t actually give up. They were dominant on defense.

            If you wanna talk about strength of schedule. The Jets in ’09 faced: Brady twice, Carson Palmer (when he was still a Pro Bowler in Cincy; and faced him in the playoffs and beat him again), and Drew Brees. They didn’t just pad their stats against a bunch of nobodies. Sure they faced some weaker teams also.

            And my argument for Revis not being overrated is this: statistically the Jets 09 defense was at least equal to Seattles in 2013. And how many defensive players did the Jets send to the 09 pro bowl? One. How many All-Pro’s? One. Seattle has 3 in their secondary and a super bowl MVP middle linebacker. That’s before you even talk about the pass rush. They have a world more talent then the Jets in 09 did yet they statistically were (at least) equal. That’s because of Revis. If you’re a Steelers fan you should have watched him enough to know he’s not overrated. Again, maybe no DB is worth $14-16 million a year, but overrated I’m sorry I can’t agree with that.

          • Izach

            I mention total points allowed becuase you mentioned total yards allowed.
            Revis missed 3full games and almost he entire patriots game that moss mossed him counts as a start but he played less than half that game.
            2010 the jets were better than 2009 as a team. Revis doesn’t bring as much to a teams defense as you think. It’s hard to understand if you don’t grasp defensive concepts or the idea of working as a team. Revis numbers look great but when you can only stop 1 player on a team and you don’t help anyone else it’s not as good as you’d think. When teams can throw all over you LB other CB, safeties, the team suffers. That was the jets weakness with revis. Rex will claim he was able to do more but in truth he couldn’t do anything else, any time they tried to play zone they throw over top. Any time he tried not to use revis in man teams would take advantage. I will say the jets aren’t better now but that’s because the over all talent is less not just revis

          • Anonymous

            First: I think me showing the yards allowed stats and PPG stats very clearly shows that teams weren’t “throwing all over them” and that “they weren’t only stopping one player”. Also, the different between 14.4 PPG and 14.8 PPG is a lot different then 4037 yards allowed and 4378. That’s over a full games worth of yards allowed. Meaning if the Jets had played 17 regular season games in 2009 at their average, they STILL wouldn’t have given up as many yards. The PPG difference is negligible, especially when you consider the TD’s the offense gave up.

            Second: The design of the Jets defensive concept (yes I completely understand defensive schemes trust me) was to make it so you had to throw at Revis, who was matched up against your best receiver. Should be a win for your best receiver right? And look what happened. To say he doesn’t bring as much to the team as you’d think after you’ve seen the stats I put up doesn’t make sense to me. As a team they were better in 2010 because they improved offensively, defensively they took a step back actually and a big reason why was because Revis didn’t play 3.5 games and played hurt in others.

            He missed half of the Patriots game (left at exactly halftime that was the 2 minute drive before the half when he got “Mossed”) so I’ll give you 3.5 games.

            Third: As a matter of fact, after digging deeper, the 2009 Jets were statistically the second best defense of the past 12 years (your 2008 Steelers were #1). How you can not see they were able to do more with Revis doesn’t make sense. If it was so easy for teams to just throw where Revis wasn’t and have success why couldn’t they do it?

            It’s the same argument for Sherman to a lesser degree. You’re able to contain Jordy because you’re double and triple covering him. With the Jets, they were double and triple covering everyone else because they didn’t have great safeties or linebackers. If Revis couldn’t hold up in single coverage against their best guy you think they would have been that good trying to play a man-to-man scheme?

  • Anonymous

    Can’t wait to see if they do a week 2 of this thing and if they do it every week.

  • Anonymous

    Damn no week 2 breakdown of this?! Come of PFF, we wanna see these guys duke it out every week.

  • Anonymous

    Can we get a breakdown of Darrelle Revis vs. AJ Green?! Prime time matchup between two marquee players and nothing?