All-Star Team of the Week: Week 13

With the top performances from each position all brought together, Gordon McGuiness has Week 13's PFF Team of the Week.

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All-Star Team of the Week: Week 13


2014-TOTW-WK13After tonight we’ll just be four weeks away from the end of the regular season. There’s no time to wonder where the season has gone to so quickly, though, as the races for the playoffs and individual end of season awards heat up. Before we get to that, however, let’s focus on who the best players from Week 13 were.

So who made the Team of the Week this week? Let’s find out.

(Note: Team will be updated as needed after Monday Night Football and by Wednesday when All-22 footage helps us study plays in even more detail.)

OFFENSE

Quarterback: Ryan Fitzpatrick, HOU (+7.0)

Taking advantage of the injury to Ryan Mallett, Fitzpatrick had himself quite the game on Sunday. Adding his name to the growing list of quarterbacks to throw for six touchdowns in a single game this season, he’s helping keep the Texans in the playoff race right now.

Honorable Mention: Joe Flacco, BAL

Running Back: C.J. Anderson, DEN (+4.1)

Have we transported back to the late 90’s and early 00’s when the Denver Broncos could plug any undrafted free agent in at running back and see them have success? Anderson has been phenomenal for them over the past month, and he forced an impressive 13 missed tackles on the ground yesterday.

Honorable Mention: Le’Veon Bell, PIT

Fullback: Ryan Hewitt, CIN (+3.0)

In a week were we saw several fullbacks do some damage as lead blockers, it was Hewitt who stood out as the best blocker of the bunch against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Honorable Mention: Henry Hynoski, NYG

Tight End: Rob Gronkowski, NE (+3.0)

You really could take your pick between either Gronkowski or Washington’s Jordan Reed this week. As it is, we have Gronkowski with a slightly higher grade as a receiver, forcing three missed tackles on seven receptions.

Honorable Mention: Jordan Reed, WAS    

Wide Receivers: DeAndre Hopkins, HOU (+7.6) and Julio Jones, ATL (+3.7)

That was something to behold from Hopkins, as he proved himself to be Fitzpatrick’s best weapon, lighting up the Titans’ defense for 238 yards. There were several other standouts to choose from as the second receiver here, but Jones just earned it over Calvin Johnson and Kenny Stills.

Honorable Mentions: Calvin Johnson, DET and Kenny Stills, NO

Tackles: Andrew Whitworth, CIN (+5.6) and Lane Johnson, PHI (+3.9)

The Bengals on the whole may not have performed well, but Whitworth was excellent once again, failing to allow any pressure as a pass blocker and doing his best work as a run blocker. Johnson did allow the one quarterback hurry, but that was it in pass protection, while he finished as one of our highest-graded run blockers this week.

Honorable Mentions: Tyron Smith, DAL and Derek Newton, HOU

Guards: Evan Mathis, PHI (+5.6) and Marshal Yanda, BAL (+5.2)

Big games from the two best guards in the NFL. Neither were perfect in pass protection, with Yanda giving up the first pressures he has allowed in the past month, but both were utterly dominant as run blockers.

Honorable Mentions: Orlando Franklin, DEN and Joe Berger, MIN

Center: Nick Mangold, NYJ (+5.9)

A quiet week from centers around the league, or it was until Monday night. Mangold’s run blocking was a joy to watch against the Dolphins, despite the score going against the Jets. He’s our highest graded center this season, and it’s not even close.

Honorable Mention: Jason Kelce, PHI

 

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| Analyst, Lead Special Teams Analyst

Gordon has worked at PFF since 2011, and now heads up the company’s special teams analysis processes. His work in-season focuses on college football, while he is also heavily involved in PFF’s NFL draft coverage.

  • RA

    Nice to see Kam Chancellor returning to form. Those injuries really had me worried.

    • [email protected]

      Yes. Okung too. Chancellor and Okung were playing early in the season but they were totally ineffective.

      • Darnell

        I worry that the Mebane injury is going to be too much to overcome ultimately.

        • [email protected]

          Seattle’s coaching staff is the best in the NFL. The loss of Mebane and Unger killed them against the Chiefs and they made adjustments and now it doesn’t even seem to be an issue.

          • RA

            Cant undersell how important Wagner has been in his return either.

          • [email protected]

            Ive been impressed with all our linebackers. Ken Norton Jr is doing a heck of a job. Bruce Irvin looks even looks like a first round draft pick well spent. I never thought that would happen.

  • Dildo Baggins

    Is it weird that, even as a Lions fan, the primary reason i wanna see Aaron Rodgers falter, is so that JJ Watt can get the MVP?

    • Chris

      Watt deserves it anyway.

      • Dildo Baggins

        I agree 100% but sadly the MVP voters see it as “The best QB on a contender award”

      • SeattleSteve

        Watt doesn’t tip the game the way a QB does, otherwise the Texans would actually “win” games against good teams.

        • Chris

          QBs get way too much credit for wins and losses. It’s a team game. Watt is simply the best 3-4 end the game has ever seen and may be the best defensive player ever by the time he’s done. It’s silly to give it to a QB just for being a really good QB.

          • [email protected]

            The problem is the V. It would be better as most impressive player, or most outstanding player.

          • Dildo Baggins

            I agree with that. Value is too open to interpretation. There should be something like the Dwight Stephenson award in the NFL.

          • [email protected]

            Regardless, its almost possible in baseball to get an idea of how good each individual player is. In football its a pipe dream. There are far too many factors and not nearly enough data to come to an objective conclusion that is not arbitrary.

          • BMore

            Rodgers and JJ Watt are easily the best at their respective positions, but it’s obvious Rodgers has a bigger impact on his teams scoreboard and win/loss record because he plays the most important position.

          • [email protected]

            Rodgers is not easily the best. He’s nowhere near as dominant as JJ Watt.

          • JJ

            Yes Rodgers is easily the best QB, and he’s more dominant because he directly affects the outcome of games.

          • [email protected]

            I agreed with that until i started watching Russell Wilson every week. He does so many things that contribute to wins and losses and don’t show up in the stat sheets. I am sure the people in Green Bay and Boston feel the same way.

          • PackersRS

            Rodgers IS the offense. The running game is bottom of the league, the defense is middle. Lacy is a good complementary back, but he could never carry a team by himself. We tried that last year. He played really well, and we relied heavily on him. But in the end, we went 2-5-1 with him leading the team.

            He doesn’t win games by himself, no one does. He has a really good receiving corps (2 great Wrs and an emerging #3, with 2 competent TEs and one decent receiving RB) and a really good OL. But if there’s one player, any sport, that pratically wins games himself, it’s Rodgers.

            It doesn’t matter if the OL or the receiving corps are good, if the QB is average, the offense is average at most. Nowadays, no offense can be elite without a QB. And the reason the Packers are one of the best, if not the best team in the NFL is because of the offense, and, thus, because of the QB.

          • [email protected]

            How many QB’s would play Arizona and SF back to back games and be productive with zero turnovers? I feel the same way about Russell Wilson.

            I watch other QB’s throwing the ball around with risky throws putting their team in bad spots and i can’t help but think “Russell Wilson would NEVER make that throw”.

            Russell Wilson takes a hit on his stat sheet every week to make sure that he doesn’t put his team in jeopardy.

          • PackersRS

            It does show up on the stat sheet. Not on net yards or TDs. But on efficiency stats.

            Wilson has yet to achieve 1500 attempts in his career. But he’s on pace to 2.1 career int%, 3rd all time, and 5.9 td%, 14th all time. That is to say, of every pass Wilson Throws, only 2.1% are intercepted, and 5.9% go for a TD.

            For comparison’s sake, Brady has 2.0 career int% and 5.5 TD%.

            Manning has 2.6 int% and 5.9 TD%.

            Also for comparison’s sake, Rodgers is 1.6 int%, best of all time, and 6.6 TD%, 4th best all time.

            This year, Rodgers is 0.8 int% and 8.4 TD%.

          • [email protected]

            QB’s peak in their early to mid 30’s. Russell Wilson is 25.

          • mutzki

            That is with all of Rodgers interceptions this year being touched first by his receivers. Hypothetically speaking if they catch those balls, Rodgers has 30TDs and 0INTs. I don’t get this debate over MVP. Anyone voting for Watt is denying Rodgers of the credit he deserves for playing one of the most flawless seasons in NFL history. There shouldn’t even be a debate.

          • [email protected]

            Attempts are not an achievement.

          • Dohkay

            Your homerism is at an all-time high.

          • [email protected]

            I’m clearly a homer if i think Seattle is good, what have they done lately? I mean, other than win a championship.

          • Dohkay

            This was a discussion largely based around Watt and Rodgers and yet you find a way to wax poetical about Seattle and Wilson. I have no problem with your homerism when it’s the topic at hand but please, keep the discussion on point.

          • [email protected]

            This is an article about all star team of the week. Its not about how great Aaron Rodgers is. He’s not even on the list.

          • mutzki

            Maybe learn how to read and comprehend, because this discussion started with “Is it weird that, even as a Lions fan, the primary reason i wanna see Aaron Rodgers falter, is so that JJ Watt can get the MVP?” and it went from there. I see you commenting on here at various times. Given that you seem to be living in the Seattle area it must be 1 or 2 am over there. Maybe just go to bed at that time.

          • [email protected]

            Yeah, and its 4am there? Shouldn’t you be milking cows?

          • mutzki

            There are people living in other parts of this planet than the US. Something that is very hard to grasp for ignorant fools like you.

          • [email protected]

            No wonder you don’t understand football. This is not futbol, this is American Football.

          • mutzki

            Still haven’t been able to let this go, have you?

          • [email protected]

            Just saying, a lot of Americans grew up playing pee-wee or highschool football. If was acting like i was an expert at Soccer i’m pretty sure it would be pointed out that Americans know nothing about soccer.

          • mutzki

            I have. Does that change your opinion of me? Probably not. FYI i hate soccer. I watch it every once in a while just to be reminded how utterly stupid and boring it is.

          • [email protected]

            Sure. I can respect that.

          • Dohkay

            And this thread of comments is discussing the merits of Watt or Rodgers as MVP. Then you bring up Seattle and Wilson as usual…

          • Nick

            Yeah you are Fan boy hoe what happen against Rams, Chiefs, and Cowboys games.

          • [email protected]

            Seahawks beat the Packers by 20, the Seahawks haven’t lost by more than 9 points the since 2011.

          • Nick

            The Packers right now would give Seattle a run for their money

          • john doe

            Look I live in Seattle and was raised in Milwaukee. Both teams are my favorites. Wilson is NOT a great QB, not even close. He might become one but he’s not even in the conversation yet. Rogers is one of the best and maybe even the best to play QB EVER. So keep the homes talk in perspective. If you were to put Rogers on Seattle they might never lose a game. Put Wilson on the Packers and can you say the same thing??? NO.

          • [email protected]

            What has Rodgers accomplished in 8 seasons that Russell Wilson hasn’t done in 2? Russell Wilson was winning a superbowl at the same point in his career that Aaron Rodgers was on the bench. I think Aaron Rodgers is excellent, but i don’t see how he’s clearly better than Russell Wilson.

          • Guest

            Carry a team with no running game multiple seasons? Carry a team with a near league-worst defense multiple years? Put up one of the best single season QB performances?

            Team accomplishments =/= Individual performance.

            Designed runs, sure. Because they don’t need him to. Scrambling is still a concern. Just look at the Patriots. They had him accounted for for most of the game.

            Not saying Wilson can’t get to that high of a level, but saying he’s as good as Rodgers now is asinine

            Stop talking out of your ass.

          • [email protected]

            Green Bay has had plenty of running backs, the reason they can’t run the ball is because all their offensive linemen are pass blockers primarily. The whole team is set up to pass, if you want to call that a disadvantage for Rodgers its also his advantage. He gets a lot better pass blocking than Russell Wilson.

          • mutzki

            Point is: Wilson couldn’t carry his team the way Rodgers does. Too many games he has 20-25 pass attempts, because the Seahawks know their formula to win is to run the ball and play defense. They’re not asking Wilson to do too much.

          • [email protected]

            Sure he could. He’s done it multiple times. Go watch the 4th Quarter at Atlanta in 2012 in the divisional playoffs. Seahawks are just a lot smarter than the Packers. Throwing the ball is plan B not plan A.

          • mutzki

            Congratulations! He had a game with more than 30 attempts. Also, maybe Wilson should start playing well enough in the first three quarters so he doesn’t put his team in a 20 point hole that he then has to climb out of. Also, what has Atlanta done since then? Maybe they just are not a good team. Pretty much any other team would’ve won that game.

          • [email protected]

            This is the argument i don’t understand.

            A. Throwing the ball more than 30 times a game leads to losses.
            B. QB’s who throw 30 times a game on a regular basis are better.
            C. When they lose, its the defense’s fault or the running game.

          • mutzki

            First of all: good job avoiding any arguments i stated above.
            Secondly Rodgers this season has thrown 30 or more times in 6 games, 4 of which the Packers won and had games against the Vikings, Panthers and Bears not been the blowouts they were, he would’ve had 30 or more attempts in those as well. My point is simply that Wilson isn’t trusted to throw the ball 30 times a game. The Seahawks know that’s not how they win games because they play defense. Aaron Rodgers can be trusted with the ball in his hands. He can throw it 40 times and be counted on not to make any mistakes as evidenced by his record shattering career 4TD to INT ratio and career 1.6% interception ratio overall.
            If Wilson ever leads his team to a 14-1 record as a starter when the defense is dead last with a 122 QB rating for a full season, we can talk again. Until then i’m gonna stick with my view of Rodgers superiority over WIlson.

          • [email protected]

            Playing defense is a good idea, the Packers should try it. Or you can just let Colin Kaepernick run all over you. Your call.

          • mutzki

            Must have gotten tired of reading facts that your little fanboyrism doesn’t allow you to comprehend accordingly.

          • [email protected]

            The Packers throw the ball a lot. I understand perfectly. The Seahawks have a better strategy. Thats why the Packers are trying to run the ball better and play better defense. Thats why they drafted Eddy Lacy. The Cowboys are trying to turn Tony Romo into Russell Wilson.

          • Bob

            Stop Watching Football Fangirl

          • [email protected]

            You’re the girl, i watch a team that runs the ball and plays defense. You watch a team that throws the ball and gives up when they play a real team.

          • Bob

            The Ravens are a girl Team we would smack the Seahawks and Steve Smith would smack that bitch sherman up fangirl

          • mutzki

            In games where opponents have scored 24points or more on the Seahawks this season, the Hawks have lost 4 of 5, with the only win being a 30-24 win over the 1-win Raiders. As you seem to know Wilsons stats inside and out i’m sure i don’t have to point out that in this game Wilson didn’t throw a TD. Don’t worry it was a win and he more than made up for it the following week as the Seahawks won 38-17 against the Giants. A game in which Wilson threw the ball 17 times (Hello Game Manager) for no TDs and 2 INTs. Makes me wonder how the Hawks scored 38 points. Probably with defense and a running game.

          • Dohkay

            The Seahawks and Packers are both smart. They know their limitations. Seattle knows they can’t rely on Wilson to win the game and instead lean on a stellar defense and running game. Green Bay knows they can’t rely on their defense to win the game and instead lean on their All-Pro QB.

          • [email protected]

            Russell Wilson is 3-0 in overtime games. Two of the three games he scored a TD to end the game on the first OT possesion. Russell Wilson is the definition of clutch. The Seahawks have and do rely on him to win close football games.

          • Dohkay

            Those games shouldn’t be close! You have the NFL’s best defense and one of the best RBs in the NFL. Am I missing something? You shouldn’t need overtime when your defense averages 15 PPG. The games should be over by the 3rd quarter. The fact that Wilson so often relies on a late comeback is not a positive. It’s indicative of an inability to put away games earlier. Rodgers doesn’t have to make comebacks because he ends the game before the 4th quarter.

          • [email protected]

            Seahawks aren’t concerned with close games. Their plan is to shorten games as much as they can even if they end up losing 1 or 2 they should have won. In January they will be much fresher than the other teams.

          • Nick

            Against a bum ass Falcon Team who cares. You lost that game lol.

          • [email protected]

            That is revisionist history, Atlanta was 12-4.

          • Nick

            They were really trash team that beat two good teams Broncos and the Redskins so who cares

          • mutzki

            Have you ever seen Aaron Rodgers play? I mean, that guy is extending plays all the time, finding ways to throw from different body positions (throws that no other QB could even think of delivering) and finding ways to get his ball to his receivers. Sorry, but being a fan of a sport also involves admitting that there are guys on other teams that might be better than the guys on your team.

          • Dohkay

            “Sorry, but being a fan of a sport also involves admitting that there are
            guys on other teams that might be better than the guys on your team.”

            Scott simply cannot comprehend this, but good effort.

          • [email protected]

            Aaron Rodgers is at least partly a product of the system in Green Bay. Its not all just him, you can’t just move him to Seattle and suddenly you’re going to have a great passing offense.

          • Dohkay

            Are you kidding me? You think Rodgers is a product of the system while Wilson isn’t? This might be your most idiotic argument on this site, which is saying something.

          • [email protected]

            I’m saying that the perception of Aaron Rodgers is a product of the system. People think that the Seattle offense isn’t very good despite leading the league in rushing. Its actually one of the best offenses because it runs clock, scores points and doesn’t turn the ball over.

            A lot of that is Russell Wilson.

          • Dohkay

            He’s typically one of the most sacked QBs in the NFL and I believe led the league in sacks in 2011 or 2012 so he’s taken a beating before and been just fine. The flip side of being in Seattle is he wouldn’t have to pass as much and could lean on a stellar running game, not to mention opposing defenses would really have no answer for the pass and run threat that Seattle would have…

          • [email protected]

            He leads the league in sacks because doesn’t want to have an incomplete pass on his statistics. Not exactly something to brag about.

          • Dohkay

            He certainly holds the ball too long (remind you of someone?) but he also has had a subpar OL for much of his career. I’m not bragging about his sacks. Simply pointing out his pass blocking isn’t nearly as good as you think. Watch the Lions tear the OL up every year and you’ll see.

          • Nick

            Aaron Roders > Russel Wilson bum ass

          • PackersRS

            The problem is that Rodgers is not a really good QB. He’s one of the best of all time, and may very well be the best of all time when he’s done. He’s also having one of the greatest statistical seasons of all time, and is the main reason the Packers are currently the best team in the league.

            As for what the award means, most valuable player, look no further than last year. The Packers were 5-2 when Rodgers went down. Without him, they went 2-5-1. He came back the last week, when they won.

            They don’t give it to the QB because it’s rigged towards the offense. They give it to the Most Valuable Player, and there’s not a more valuable player than an elite QB. It is the most important position in all sports, just look to when guys like Rodgers and Manning went down, just how badly their team, which were one of the best in the league, performed without them.

            It’s not the best player, it’s not the best player at their position, or how much better he is than other players at their position. It’s the most valuable, most impactful player. JJ was has a ton of stats, but his team is middle of the pack. Rodgers, meanwhile, is commandeering the best team in the league, and is responsible for 192 direct points, not counting field goals and extra points, while turning the ball over only 3 times.

            He’s also having a top 3 season all time for his position. (1st all time is his 2011, 2nd is Manning last year.)

          • [email protected]

            Packers are not the best team. They’re just not as good as Seattle. They’ve played a much easier schedule and are only 1 game up with a head to head loss.

          • Lord Mad

            “He’s one of the best of all time, and may very well be the best of all time when he’s done”

            He’s great..don’t get me wrong but you are throwing around too much hyperbole.

          • [email protected]

            Rodgers is plenty good, but when you are talking about Greatness you need titles to back it up. So far he has 1. We’ll see.

          • PackersRS

            So you don’t consider Peyton Manning one of the best of all time? He only has 1…

          • [email protected]

            No i don’t. Its not just that he’s only won 1, but he hasn’t played well in the playoffs. Warren Moon lost in the playoffs but he put up 42 points with a mediocre team.

          • Brian Bigger

            More misinformation. If you go that way, Brady is not good in the playoffs either. Both have nearly identical passing marks. One player does not win playoff games or super bowls.

          • [email protected]

            Peyton Manning is a frontrunner. When things are going his way he piles it on, but when he gets in a tough game he folds more often than not.

            Joe Montana won back to back superbowls and threw 19 TD’s vs 1 INT. I haven’t seen anything like that from Peyton.

            You think i’m being too hard on Peyton? I think you’re not respecting the greatness of players who played in the past.

          • Dohkay

            Yeah those pre-snap reads, all for show. I’m sure Seattle’s coaches told the players to ignore any shifts and motions that Peyton made as those are just Peyton’s way of getting people to look at him.

          • [email protected]

            I didn’t say it didn’t have a purpose. Like i said its a magic show. He gets defenses out of what they should be doing. Bad defenses at least.

          • Dohkay

            Agreed, man. That’s why Eli Manning is the second best QB in the NFL right now. Derrrrrrrrrrr…

          • [email protected]

            So you’re saying that the postseason has no bearing on greatest QB of all time? Its what? Statistics?

          • Dohkay

            A combination of both? If you use championships as the ultimate judgment of a QB than unfortunately you have to love Eli Manning despite his 50+ turnovers the past two seasons.

          • [email protected]

            Thats what i was saying. I was just pointing out what he was missing.

          • Dohkay

            Rodgers and Manning have won a Super Bowl. They’ve both won a Super Bowl MVP. They’ve both won at least one MVP. They both have arguably the greatest passing statistics at their respective points in their careers. They’ve both been unfortunate enough to not have amazing defenses throughout their careers as well. For reference:

            Montana had 10 seasons out of 12 as a starter with a top 10 PPG defense. His SB winning years…

            1981 – SF 2nd fewest points allowed
            1984 – SF 1st fewest points allowed
            1988 – SF 8th fewest points allowed
            1989 – SF 3rd fewest points allowed

            Brady has 10 seasons out of 13 as a starter with a top 10 PPG defense. His SB winning years…

            2001 – NE 6th fewest points allowed
            2003 – NE 1st fewest points allowed
            2004 – NE 2nd fewest points allowed

            Manning has 5 seasons out of 16 as a starter with a top 10 PPG defense. His SB winning year…

            2006 – IND 23rd fewest points allowed

            Rodgers has 2 seasons out of 6 as a start with a top 10 PPG defense. His SB winning year…

            2010 – GB 2nd fewest points allowed

            Your two greatest QBs have a combined 20 out of 25 seasons with a top-10 scoring defense compared to my two greatest QBs with a combined 7 out of 22 seasons with a top-10 scoring defense. Unless Rodgers and Manning are responsible for drafting and coaching the defense I’m not sure how you can fault them for lacking multiple Super Bowls as this point.

          • [email protected]

            Its very hard to have a great defense when you don’t have an offense that kills clock. Its no accident that almost all of the great defensive teams have been built to run the ball on offense.

          • Dohkay

            You also need a fantastic defense. The 49ers had one of the greatest safeties to ever play the game during Montana’s reign (not to mention the greatest WR ever, but I digress). How about the Pats? Have you noticed that NE is always drafting defense and ignoring the offense? Many Pats fans have agonized over this. Those organizations made those decisions and I don’t blame them – it’s obviously worked.

            That said, your argument is either a) it’s Rodgers and Manning’s fault that their coaches/organizations don’t have a run-oriented, ball-control approach or b) it’s Rodgers and Manning’s fault for being too efficient at scoring TDs and not taking enough time off the clock. LOL.

          • [email protected]

            No, what i’m saying that faulting players for not playing a style that doesn’t work is silly.

          • Dohkay

            So you agree with me then?

          • [email protected]

            Not entirely. I mean agree Russell Wilson does have the same early career path as Joe Montana and Tom Brady, but you never know he could get hit by a bus.

          • PackersRS

            He’s statistically the best of all time (106.5, second is Manning with a 97.8). If he continues on this pace, he’ll have 2 of the best 3 statistical seasons of all time. He has an MVP (on his way to his 2nd), a SB title, and a SB MVP title. Marino is considered one of the best of all time, statistically is much worse (106.5 to 86.4 QB rating), and only has 1 league MVP.

            The Packers have had Brett Favre and Bart Starr, two of the best, and they pale in comparison with this guy. And he still has at least 6 more years, when you think about Manning’s and Brady’s age. And he’s hitting his prime, while Manning and Brady are in their downfall. It’s likely he’ll win more MVPs.

            He’ll also be in contention every year for a SB title, with this current Packers’ organization. They’ve made the playoffs 5 straight seasons, soon to be 6.

            It’s not too much hyperbole. If you consider Watt one of the best defensive players of all time, it’s only natural to do so for Rodgers.

          • Lord Mad

            Good passer rating does not a great QB make. It is a very flawed statistic, especially when you try to compare it to QBs of old who had to abide by much more difficulties in the passing game due to less strict rules allowing defenses to almost outright tackle WRs before the pass.

            The Packers were 8-7-1 last year and stunk it up getting into the playoffs almost by default and are great for having injury issues. I would not presume greatness for a long time when this is the case.

          • [email protected]

            Those statistics mean little, the offensive numbers are inflated across the board with offensive friendly rules. QB’s routinely throw for 300 yards and get beat 35-7.

          • Izach

            The biggest fault in all these discussions is modern day offenses are geared towards the QB, that’s why they seem more valuable than they really are. If you make a the focal point of your team a single position that position is more valueable to you than another position. It’s easier than you’d think to focus on a different aspect of your team. Just ask chip Kelly or Andy Reid, highly successful teams with not even border line elite QBs, Reid focuses on defense and limiting mistakes, chip of skill positional playmakers and scoring non stop.

          • mutzki

            QB is the hardest job to do, possibly in all of sports. The way Rodgers and Brady are playing right now shouldn’t go unnoticed. Watt is good. Watt is great. But he is not making the impact that Rodgers or Brady make on their respective teams. I’m a defensive minded guy and i would like to see a defensive player get some recognition, but Rodgers is playing too good right now to give the award to a defensive player.

            We’re talking about a 10:1 TD to INT ratio. That’s unheard of! No one in this era has ever done what Rodgers has done this year in terms of moving and protecting the ball. You must not take that away from him.

          • Chris

            Uh, Rodgers finished with a 9:1 in 2011 and Foles was 13.5:1 last year.

            Sure Rodgers is having a “great” year. His TD:INT ratio is awesome. But he’s 6th in yards and 9th in comp %. He’s also the 2nd highest graded passer behind Brees – only because of his running ability does he manage to grade first overall. So it’s not like he’s blowing away the competition at an otherworldly pace.

            Watt has almost 3 times the grade of any other 3-4 DE. He ranks a respectable 9th against the run while 6x almost everyone else’s pass rushing grade. He’s got twice the sacks and total pressures and still ranks 1st in pass rushing efficiency. He’s been a better pass rusher than every 4-3 end, which is a pass rushing position whereas Watt is stuck on the interior. He has 25 more pressures than the leading 4-3 and he leads all of them in efficiency.

            He rushes the QB better than a 4-3 end and plays the run on the interior like a top 10 3-4 end. Rodgers is going to be a HOF QB and he “might” be the best when he retires if he keeps playing at this pace. Watt is without a doubt going to be the best at his position and arguably the best defensive player of all time regardless of position. If any defensive player ever deserved to win the MVP, it’s Watt right now.

          • mutzki

            First of all when i made that point about the 10:1 ratio i was thinking about the great QBs like Brady, Manning and Brees. Didn’t even think about Foles. Sorry for that.

            Rodgers is 6th in yards, because he simply doesn’t throw as many times as other QBs. He has 380 pass attempts on the season whereas most other starting QBs are well over the 400 mark. Actually he leads all QBs with 8.75 yards per pass attempt some of which i’m sure can be attributed to YAC. Even with that, he’d still be among the leaders if he had as many attempts as other QBs have.

            His interceptions all bounced off his receivers hands first, he might as well have no INT, but that’s hypothetically speaking and a moot point (just wanted to point this out).

            If a defensive player ever deserved MVP, it sure would be Watt. Not even trying to fight that. I’m also not talking PFF grades here, simply trying to convey my point.
            The MVP award should go to the best player overall. The best player overall is the one who has the biggest impact on a team.

            Here’s one way to put it. If there was a draft to be held today, and a new team could choose from any player in the league, do you honestly think Watt would be picked ahead of the likes of Rodgers, Brady, Manning or Luck? No! Why? Because it’s a QB driven league. Why? Because their impact is the biggest. A different way to put it. If the Texans called the Packers asking for a trade that involved Watt for Rodgers, do you think the Packers would agree to terms? Probably not. There are two possibilities here:
            A: this has already happened and the Packers denied the trade!
            B: the Texans didn’t even bother to call, because they knew what the answer would be.

            Anyone voting Watt for MVP (I’m sure there are going to be some votes coming his way when this is all said and done) is slapping all those QBs in the face because their impact on the games they play in and the teams they play for is much bigger than that of Watt in Houston. That’s just the nature of the position. Watt currently is a defensive lineman on a 6-6 team. His impact on games is existing, but doesn’t even compare to the impact of QBs.

            You said it’s a team sport, and while that is certainly true, a good QB wins games, whereas a bad QB loses games. The Jets, with the game on the line, turned to their QB Geno last night. He threw a pick, the game is lost.

            Strip the Packers, Patriots or Colts of their respective QBs and they are struggling mightily and might not even make the playoffs. You strip the 6-6 Texans of Watt and what do they become? 4-8? 3-9? But that’s also hypothetical. What isn’t hypothetical is my point about the impact.
            A QBs impact on games is bigger than that of a pass rushing defensive lineman, just as a pass rushing defensive lineman usually has a bigger impact on games than a pass covering safety. Why? Because he has a bigger chance to make a play.

          • Dohkay

            “Here’s one way to put it. If there was a draft to be held today, and a new team could choose from any player in the league, do you honestly think Watt would be picked ahead of the likes of Rodgers, Brady, Manning or Luck?”

            This is the best argument for MVP. Watt would surely be choosen several rounds before the next D-Lineman but there would be several QBs taken before him given the weight of the position.

          • Chris

            Props for presenting a competent argument – don’t see that very often.

            The only thing I have to say…you say strip the Packers, Patriots, Colts (or Broncos, Saints) of their respective QBs and they might not make the playoffs. Sure. But emphasis on all FIVE of those. AKA Rodgers might be the best in the league (I think so) but there are several others just like him and there will be others in the draft that will succeed them in the future just like Luck.

            Not saying top tier QBs are a dime a dozen by any means, but there are at least a handful. There is only one JJ Watt, and he is league’s beyond any other defensive lineman. He looks like he’s playing against college competition.

            If I have to build a team and I get to pick between Watt or a top tier QB, I’m taking Watt. He is the best in history at his position – you won’t find him in next year’s draft. You can find another Andrew Luck in the draft. Not only that, but how often do teams with elite QBs win the Super Bowl? It’s usually teams with elite defenses and good game managers. I’d rather go that route.

            TLDR – I think Rodgers is the best in the game right now, but Watt is the best of all time at his position. He’s the Michael Jordan of the DL. I would build my team around him.

          • mutzki

            OK then. I guess we’d have different approaches if we’d start a franchise tomorrow.

            However, i disagree with your assessment on the QB situation. I don’t think it’s that easy to find another Luck, also because you typically give a QB 3 years time to find out what he’s made of. Just think of all those teams that drafted a QB in the past 3 years.
            To this point you can make the argument that only the Colts found their franchise QB, for the rest of them (this year’s draft excluded) it’s back to the drawing board. That’s why i’d take Rodgers or Luck, because you know you have something with them.

            Be that as it may – it’s okay to disagree

            One last thought: I think people are a little bit too lose with the “best of all time” tag. There were plenty of great linemen in the 70’s and 80’s which unfortunately was before my time and we can’t know for sure how those guys would’ve fared in today’s NFL.

          • Chris

            Yep that’s an agree to disagree. If I’m building a team I start with defense and Watt is the best of all time (in my opinion). I don’t need a franchise QB I just need a 2nd or 3rd rounder who doesn’t turn it over.

          • Izach

            Actually strip the Patriots and they win 11 games BB is the real hero for he patriots. Just saying

          • [email protected]

            Brandon Browner is pretty good, but i don’t know if i’d go that far.

          • Mychal

            QB in general is over rated, they are simply by formation facilitators of the ball, they have a negative effect on run plays as they don’t even block and as long as they are relatively smart they will can be game managers quite easily, only manning Brady Rodgers and Brees even deserve half the praise they get everyone else benefits from them playing the position

          • mutzki

            So you’re saying smart means no turnovers? I’m pretty sure it has something to do with throwing motion, accuracy and arm strength as well. Btw, courage plays a big role in playing QB and only a few have enough of it to excel at the position.

            Also the importance of QBs is overrated? So i guess, these coaching staffs and personnel departments haven’t gotten the memo yet and just keep on wasting 1st round picks to draft QBs where they could easily land one in round 5.

          • Izach

            Is agree with Mychal as long as they have a decent ability to throw, and they are they are average in those other aspects but have high football IQs I’m happy. I can limit my reliance on him depending on my scheme and players around him. If you put Brady on or Rodgers on Eagles they might put up more points but they wouldn’t win more games just pile on in the wins that’s all

          • Sean Stott

            While I mostly agree with your assessment of Watt…. have you seen Aaron Rodgers this year? It’s insane.

          • Izach

            I did see him in week 1 kinda dis credits him from MVP voting IMO

          • mutzki

            The Texans simply haven’t won anything meaningful this year. Their best games this year were against the 7-5 Bills and 7-5 Browns. Neither of those 2 teams would be in the playoffs if the season ended today. The other 4 wins were against the 1 win Raiders, the 2-win Titans twice and the 3-win Redskins. That’s 6 wins against Teams that have combined to win 22 games this year (an average of less than 4 wins per team). The Packers, with Rodgers leading them, have matched that in the last 3 games (all of which they won).
            Furthermore the texans have lost every single game that they played playoff teams, the Colts, Eagles and Bengals.
            Watt may be great, but he can’t lead his team the way Rodgers does. Watt can’t even get his team out of the bottom in the league in defensive rankings. So, how much of an impact does he really have?
            There hasn’t been a player that has played as consistent and good as Rodgers has this year. Not even the otherworldly, godly playing JJ Watt.

        • Dildo Baggins

          So Kyle Orton deserves the MVP over Watt?

  • nono

    I love this site, but i wish you guys would go into more detail in your articles as to why these players receive these grades (without disclosing your grading formula too much). You guys use the traditional stats to back up your grades which is a litter contradicting to what this site is about. Another player can have the same or similar stats for a week and end up with a worse grade. I disagree with a lot of detractors of this site, but when they complain about posting the grades with very little to go along with it, it is a valid criticism.

    • nono

      little*

    • [email protected]

      What i don’t agree with is the concept that play by play grading is a measure of a player’s worth. Especially when its done by an outside party.

      Especially with all the weird ways its done, do you really think Ryan Fitzpatrick was great or do you think at least half of it was that he was playing the Raiders?

      • Chris

        And I think it’s the best way to do it. It’s certainly better than TDs and sacks and eyeball tests.

        • [email protected]

          Eyeball tests are the best way. Watch the player play, does he make plays? Whats so hard about that?

          • Chris

            Because that is subjective. Grading every play is simply putting numbers to the eyeball test.

          • [email protected]

            So putting numbers to something that is subjective makes it objective?

          • nono

            I agree with Chris. Im not questioning the validity of their grades. I feel they are the best at what they do. I just think they should explain their grades more

          • john doe

            I think they want you to sign up for the premium stats.

          • eYeDEF

            Premium starts doesn’t give more explanations on the grades.

          • Chris

            No it means you can keep track of it. You can watch every Seahawks game and instead of relying on your memory, which isn’t very reliable over long periods of detail, you can say Bennett won 87% of his matchups on the season and grades at a +14.2 for 2nd best in the league.

            Keeping track of it allows you to use the eyeball test comparatively and have something to back it up.

          • [email protected]

            Having precise records of something that is very imprecise is bad science.

          • Chris

            So the eyeball test is imprecise?

          • [email protected]

            Of course, its also highly subjective and inaccurate. Its still better than trying to force certainty in an area where there is none.

          • Chris

            Then that’s another agree to disagree. If you think the eyeball test is the best way to compare players, it only makes sense to keep track of the results as you do it to make it easier. It’s what your brain is doing from memory anyway.

          • [email protected]

            What do you think grading is, if not a comprehensive eyeball test? The advantage is that it accounts for ALL plays, not just the ones your remember with your selective human memory.

      • [email protected]

        You don’t agree with the concept of grading players… yet you spend your time reading and commenting on a site which is based entirely on that concept. Makes total sense.

        • [email protected]

          Viking’s coaches got asked about PFF grades at a press conference, people are using these grades outside of this site. Its fair game to come here to criticize them.

      • AJ

        Shows how much you watch and pay attention to the games. Fitzpatrick played the Titans, the Rams played the Raiders.

        • [email protected]

          Raiders, Titans.. whats the difference?

  • BADMOJODADDY

    BS..Senderrick Marks should have been on this for the Defensive Interior!

  • a57se

    Mangold should be your center with his +6.4 rating…
    Why don’t you guys wait until the monday night game is played to post this???

  • Tyler Ferree

    So when will this get updates Mangold’s 6.4 grade (which is in the refocused article) is more than triple Spencer’s.

  • John

    What happened to Mangold (+6.4) this week? by far the best Center…

  • Leo

    Um, 52-0 and the only Ram is the punter? Really?

    • Tim

      I know Right PFF hates the Rams smh.

  • [email protected]

    Ok so now bitches. How about some more Seahawks on the list?